Hawks #15 in final AP Poll

[hawkeyebob62]

Sorry.

You’re gonna get mad about this but you’re wrong. Head to head holds no more significance than any other game. Shit like that is why the polls are bullshit. People who don’t grasp math and statistics but go where their gut tells them.

I don’t mean anything bad, but you don’t understand the concept of independent events.

So...

If let’s say Iowa lost its first game against Upper Central Dickwad University but ran the table, made the playoff, and won the whole thing. By your logic UCDU should be ranked higher because the head-to-head takes precedence.

No, you say?

Well then, tell us where you draw the cut off...

And don’t use gut feelings as a cutoff. This has to be mathematical otherwise you’re letting your homerish biases come through with full effect...

Head to head (or any single game) means jack shit by itself. The entire season has to be taken into account. Cherry picking by definition is the most homerish of homer biases because Team X’s criteria will never be anywhere close to Team Y’s criteria and now we’re back to some stupid fucking popularity poll.

Good, now show me the "science". Please detail, showing your work(as math teachers used to say), exactly what makes each team's "ranking".

BTW, please let the B1G office know that head-to-head needs to stop as a tiebreaker.

 

[Fryowa]

Good, now show me the "science". Please detail, showing your work(as math teachers used to say), exactly what makes each team's "ranking".

What makes each team's ranking is votes from either sports writers or coaches. Which is why it's bullshit.

BTW, please let the B1G office know that head-to-head needs to stop as a tiebreaker.

No one ever said anything about head to head not counting as a tie breaker. Now you're just making shit up to be dramatic.

Conference standings and finishing places are based on conference standings and tie breakers, which is totally valid.

Ranking all teams together (i.e. the AP Poll) to see which teams are "best" is bullshit if it's just done on a whim. A mathematical system whether it's Massey, Sagarin, CPI, etc is valid because they look at all games, have no bias to certain teams, and the criteria are the exact same for everyone.

Under your premise, you're saying that is a 1-12 Arkansas team beat LSU early on but LSU ran the rest of the table, that Arkansas should be ranked higher. Which is idiotic.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

What makes each team's ranking is votes from either sports writers or coaches. Which is why it's bullshit.

No one ever said anything about head to head not counting as a tie breaker. Now you're just making shit up to be dramatic.

Conference standings and finishing places are based on conference standings and tie breakers, which is totally valid.

Ranking all teams together (i.e. the AP Poll) to see which teams are "best" is bullshit if it's just done on a whim. A mathematical system whether it's Massey, Sagarin, CPI, etc is valid because they look at all games, have no bias to certain teams, and the criteria are the exact same for everyone.

Under your premise, you're saying that is a 1-12 Arkansas team beat LSU early on but LSU ran the rest of the table, that Arkansas should be ranked higher. Which is idiotic.

Not saying that at all. But a 2-loss team that beat a 4-loss team, head-to-head, in game 13, both from P5 conferences, is not 6 or more spots lower in ANY "system". C'mon, man, you know that.

 

[Hawk90]

Expectations probably too high, still a disappointing year, based on coulda, shoulda. What happens if we had an offense.

 

[Xerxes]

42 different teams have finished in the Top 5? That doesn't sound right. There's only, what, 66 Power 5 teams? So all but 24 of them have finished in the Top 5 since KF has been coach?

From what I could find, 43 teams in all with a top 5 finish. 39 from P5 conferences & 4 others

Alabama
USC
Oklahoma
Georgia
Pitt
Michigan
Florida St
Clemson
Texas
Penn St
Nebraska
UCLA
Miami
Auburn
Washington
Florida
Boston College
Tennessee
Arizona St
Syracuse
LSU
Notre Dame
West Virginia
Colorado
Georgia Tech
Ohio St
Arizona
Virginia Tech
Wisconsin
Oregon St
Utah
Missouri
TCU
Stanford
Oklahoma St
Arkansas
Texas A&M
Michigan St
South Carolina

Non P5 teams

Houston
SMU
BYU
Boise St

 

[CP87]

42 different teams have finished in the Top 5? That doesn't sound right. There's only, what, 66 Power 5 teams? So all but 24 of them have finished in the Top 5 since KF has been coach?

Teams that have finished in the Top 5 at least once over the last 41 years, and how many times each has accomplished that feat:

Florida State 17
Ohio State 15
Oklahoma 15
Miami-FL 14
Alabama 12
Florida 9
USC 9
Georgia 8
Nebraska 8
LSU 7
Notre Dame 7
Penn State 7
Texas 7
Clemson 6
Michigan 6
Oregon 6
Auburn 5
Washington 5
Colorado 4
Tennessee 4
West Virginia 3
Arizona State 2
Boise State 2
BYU 2
Missouri 2
Pittsburgh 2
SMU 2
Stanford 2
Syracuse 2
TCU 2
Utah 2
Arkansas 1
Boston College 1
Georgia Tech 1
Houston 1
Michigan State 1
Oklahoma State 1
Oregon State 1
South Carolina 1
UCLA 1
Virginia Tech 1
Wisconsin 1