Hawks #15 in final AP Poll

1. LSU
2. Clemson
3. Ohio State
4. Georgia
5. Oregon
6. Florida
7. Oklahoma
8. Alabama
9. Penn State
10. Minnesota
11. Wisconsin
12. Notre Dame
13. Baylor
14. Auburn
15. Iowa
16. Utah
17. Memphis
18. Michigan
19. Appalachian State
20. Navy
21. Cincinnati
22. Air Force
23. Boise State
24. UCF
25. Texas

I've always felt that pre-season rankings are mostly based on from the season before. I never saw LSU this past summer as some team that would do what they just did. Amazing that Iowa and Wisky both beat Minny and the Goofers are ranked ahead of both teams.
 
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Fryowa said:
Agree, but Clemson ahead of OSU is ridonkulous. Ohio State is clearly the best team mathematically but they got bumped to #3 because of a couple plays that happened. I don't disagree that they came in "third place," but that's different than saying they're third best. If an Asscar driver won every regular season race but finished their dumb "Race For The Chase" playoff thing in second by the skin of his teeth you'd still say he was the best driver.

I guess where I was going with it is that out of those 65 writers who vote, I can guarantee you none of them--zero--spend more than 5 minutes filling the thing out no matter what they say. We as employees in the normal world know it. It's something they likely do on the shitter before taking their kids to school because, like fantasy football lineups, it's a pain-in-the-ass task they have to do every week along with way more important stuff like writing articles, doing interviews, meetings, etc.

They have built in human bias, they have homer bias, and most importantly (to this topic), they aren't football-educated enough to tell anyone if Clemson is better than Ohio State or LSU. Coaches might be in their poll, but their homer bias is off the charts.

And I'm sorry, a single head to head game is a sample size of 1 and it's not statistically valid. If anyone out there thinks it is they probably can't blink and eat at the same time.
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Don't talk shit about NASCAR (but I agree with your point about the stupidity of forcing everything into one final battle royale race). Irregardless, anyone who thinks Ala-freaking-Bama is not the 4th best team is an utter moron. We narrowly lost to LSU with a hobbled Tua and the aid of two freak plays (the Tua fumble and the bobbled punt snap). We lost to Auburn with our backup in and he threw two pick 6s, one of which was a total fluke.

Alabama, OSU, Clemson and LSU were the four best teams and there was a giant gulf down to the next team, as LSU demonstrated by skull f*cking Oklahoma. Yet AP has Alabama 8th. GMAFB.
 
EstronHawkKing said:
I've always felt that pre-season rankings are mostly based on from the season before. I never saw LSU this past summer as some team that would do what they just did.
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No one did. But it is easiest to just assume the SEC West champ is going to be really good, so the best way to do rankings is to just put Auburn, Bama and LSU in the top 8 with A&M around 12th or 15th and then you'll be proven right that they are good when one of the teams from the SEC West is in the title game.
 
Finishing ranked two years in a row is nice. Hopefully we can complete the trifecta next season.
 
okeefe4prez said:
Don't talk shit about NASCAR (but I agree with your point about the stupidity of forcing everything into one final battle royale race).
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Asscar's dead. When Kinnick draws more people to the stands against Middle Tennessee State than the Brickyard 400 does, you're on the way out.

More people watch the Upper Mid-Central Regional Cornhole qualifier on ESPN 9 than watch the hillbilly go karts.

It's ok, pal. I like cribbage and nobody plays that anymore either.
 
Fryowa said:
Asscar's dead. When Kinnick draws more people to the stands against Middle Tennessee State than the Brickyard 400 does, you're on the way out.

More people watch the Upper Mid-Central Regional Cornhole qualifier on ESPN 9 than watch the hillbilly go karts.

It's ok, pal. I like cribbage and nobody plays that anymore either.
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I still play cribbage.
 
Fryowa said:
Asscar's dead. When Kinnick draws more people to the stands against Middle Tennessee State than the Brickyard 400 does, you're on the way out.

More people watch the Upper Mid-Central Regional Cornhole qualifier on ESPN 9 than watch the hillbilly go karts.

It's ok, pal. I like cribbage and nobody plays that anymore either.
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The lack of fans is precisely why I love to go. You can get into the marquis races for under $100 now and bring in a cooler full of beer. No traffic around the track, either. It's amazing for people like me who hate giant crowds.
 
Iowa AP poll results over the Fry/Ferentz era:
  • Top 20 finishes: 17 (17th most in the nation; Oklahoma is #1 with 31 over that span)
  • Top 15 finishes: 9 (tied for 23rd most in the nation; Ohio State is #1 with 28)
  • Top 10 finishes: 7 (tied for 19th in the nation; Alabama is # with 22)
  • Top 5 finishes: 0 (42 teams have a top-5 finish over that span, Florida State has the most with 17)
  • National Championships: 0 (17 programs have a national championship over that span, Alabama has the most with 7; one-time national champs over that span include: Georgia, BYU, Colorado, Texas, and Auburn)
 
Iowa AP poll results over the Ferentz era:
  • Top 20 finishes: 7 (tied for 22nd most in the nation; Oklahoma is #1 with 17 over that span)
  • Top 15 finishes: 6 (tied for 20th most in the nation; Oklahoma is #1 with 16)
  • Top 10 finishes: 5 (tied for 16th in the nation; Ohio State is # with 15)
  • Top 5 finishes: 0 (33 teams have a top-5 finish over that span, Ohio State has the most with 13)
  • National Championships: 0 (11 programs have a national championship over that span, Alabama has the most with 5; one-time national champs over that span include: Oklahoma, Miami, Texas, and Auburn)
 
CP87 said:
Iowa AP poll results over the Fry/Ferentz era:
  • Top 20 finishes: 17 (17th most in the nation; Oklahoma is #1 with 31 over that span)
  • Top 15 finishes: 9 (tied for 23rd most in the nation; Ohio State is #1 with 28)
  • Top 10 finishes: 7 (tied for 19th in the nation; Alabama is # with 22)
  • Top 5 finishes: 0 (42 teams have a top-5 finish over that span, Florida State has the most with 17)
  • National Championships: 0 (17 programs have a national championship over that span, Alabama has the most with 7; one-time national champs over that span include: Georgia, BYU, Colorado, Texas, and Auburn)
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42 different teams have finished in the Top 5? That doesn't sound right. There's only, what, 66 Power 5 teams? So all but 24 of them have finished in the Top 5 since KF has been coach?
 
SpiderRico said:
42 different teams have finished in the Top 5? That doesn't sound right. There's only, what, 66 Power 5 teams? So all but 24 of them have finished in the Top 5 since KF has been coach?
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That is over the Fry/Ferentz era (1979-2019).

I have the data on a different computer, I will post the list when I get a chance.
 
hawkeyebob62 said:
Maybe not a "popularity" contest, but DEFINITELY "jerkoff bias". 4-loss Auburn ahead of Iowa AND Minnesota. The 2-loss Minnesota that beat them on a neutral field.

That poll is as worthless as any other...
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Auburn had a brutal schedule. They actually deserve their ranking. Sagarin agrees.
 
Fryowa said:
Auburn had a brutal schedule. They actually deserve their ranking. Sagarin agrees.
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But they lost 4 games. And any "ranking" or "system" that doesn't place any emphasis on head-to-head, especially on a neutral field, isn't any more valid than one that does.
 
hawkeyebob62 said:
...any "ranking" or "system" that doesn't place any emphasis on head-to-head, especially on a neutral field, isn't any more valid than one that does.
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Sorry.

You’re gonna get mad about this but you’re wrong. Head to head holds no more significance than any other game. Shit like that is why the polls are bullshit. People who don’t grasp math and statistics but go where their gut tells them.

I don’t mean anything bad, but you don’t understand the concept of independent events.

So...

If let’s say Iowa lost its first game against Upper Central Dickwad University but ran the table, made the playoff, and won the whole thing. By your logic UCDU should be ranked higher because the head-to-head takes precedence.

No, you say?

Well then, tell us where you draw the cut off...

And don’t use gut feelings as a cutoff. This has to be mathematical otherwise you’re letting your homerish biases come through with full effect...

Head to head (or any single game) means jack shit by itself. The entire season has to be taken into account. Cherry picking by definition is the most homerish of homer biases because Team X’s criteria will never be anywhere close to Team Y’s criteria and now we’re back to some stupid fucking popularity poll.
 
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