Hawks #15 in final AP Poll

proudhawkfan21

proudhawkfan21

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Minnesota #10. Three Big in Top 10. Looking at the teams, maybe could have been higher than Auburn and Baylor, beat Minny, but top 15 is a nice season.
 
Yes, a very good season. There were some very good wins and tough close losses to 3 ranked teams to take into account. We could quibble about Minny jumping a lot of places to #10 but they beat a solid SEC team. Not sure about Baylor being that high but again quibbling.

It would be great for the hawks to keep the momentum with a new QB who comes in throwing accurate darts.
 
We pretty much had the same year as we did in '03 where we finished 8th. That was a strange year.
 
ssckelley said:
Only the 8th time in Kirk's 21 year career that Iowa has finished ranked in the AP poll. Hayden did it 10 times in his 20 year career.
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Yep. Both had 6 seasons in the top 15. KF has had 5 seasons in the top 10, HF had 2 (and another at SMU). Some very solid coaching at Iowa over the last 40 years.
 
I kinda thought 13 or 14 was about as high as we coulda went. So I'm not mad. Great year. A lot to be proud of. Yet room to improve obviously. Should have a heck of a team next yr. Offensively especially. Petras is getting the keys to a pretty dang nice car. We'll see how he handles it.
 
Fryowa said:
Here's one that's actually valid and not a jerk off popularity contest...

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm
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Maybe, at least based on those selected criteria, but Clemson did beat OSU. OSU may be the better team, but they did not get it done when they had the chance.

I thought Iowa might be a bit higher in the end, but it doesn't make much difference. People typically see things in terms of 10s or even 5s. It's common to hear references to Top 10, even Top 15 and certainly Top 25, but rarely does one hear Top 12, etc. A nice season for the Hawks, would have loved the win over Wisconsin and another Rose Bowl trip, but I think they're getting closer. 2019 is in the rear window; Onward and upward to 2020.
 
homes said:
Maybe, at least based on those selected criteria, but Clemson did beat OSU. OSU may be the better team, but they did not get it done when they had the chance.
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OSU beat 5 teams in the top 30, Clemson beat 2.

OSU had a ridiculously brutal schedule, Clemson's was 47th. Iowa's schedule was much tougher than Clemson's.

The reason this and other mathematical rankings are valid and the AP/Coaches aren't is because they treat every team exactly the same, they're based on data, and they have a sufficient sample size.

The polls are nothing more than a bunch of dick smokers emailing their biased opinions in every week, most likely trying to hurry up and fly through it like a grade schooler taking the Iowa Assesments so they can go to recess.
 
Fryowa said:
OSU beat 5 teams in the top 30, Clemson beat 2.

OSU had a ridiculously brutal schedule, Clemson's was 47th. Iowa's schedule was much tougher than Clemson's.

The reason this and other mathematical rankings are valid and the AP/Coaches aren't is because they treat every team exactly the same, they're based on data, and they have a sufficient sample size.

The polls are nothing more than a bunch of dick smokers emailing their biased opinions in every week, most likely trying to hurry up and fly through it like a grade schooler taking the Iowa Assesments so they can go to recess.
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Clemson was really soft on the d-line. It showed against better teams. You make them play Nebraska's schedule and they're probably 10-2 or 11-1 (maybe a weather assisted loss that shuts down their passing attack as well). The better team doesn't always win. I think Iowa was better than Michigan, but we lost to them. I think OSU was probably better than Clemson, but lost to them. Alabama was better than Auburn but lost to them. UGA was better than SC and lost to them. It happens. The variability is what makes college football the best sport in America.
 
Fryowa said:
OSU beat 5 teams in the top 30, Clemson beat 2.

OSU had a ridiculously brutal schedule, Clemson's was 47th. Iowa's schedule was much tougher than Clemson's.

The reason this and other mathematical rankings are valid and the AP/Coaches aren't is because they treat every team exactly the same, they're based on data, and they have a sufficient sample size.

The polls are nothing more than a bunch of dick smokers emailing their biased opinions in every week, most likely trying to hurry up and fly through it like a grade schooler taking the Iowa Assesments so they can go to recess.
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Don't disagree, except not sure I would go so far to call them "dick smokers". Staying with the validity of data over biased opinions, I'd like some evidence of that first; however, no photos, please, there are posting rules that prohibit that. :). Also, it doesn't matter much if your team finishes No. 2 or No. 3; at that level it only matters that you're not No. 1.
 
homes said:
Don't disagree, except not sure I would go so far to call them "dick smokers". Staying with the validity of data over biased opinions, I'd like some evidence of that first; however, no photos, please, there are posting rules that prohibit that. :). Also, it doesn't matter much if your team finishes No. 2 or No. 3; at that level it only matters that you're not No. 1.
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Agree, but Clemson ahead of OSU is ridonkulous. Ohio State is clearly the best team mathematically but they got bumped to #3 because of a couple plays that happened. I don't disagree that they came in "third place," but that's different than saying they're third best. If an Asscar driver won every regular season race but finished their dumb "Race For The Chase" playoff thing in second by the skin of his teeth you'd still say he was the best driver.

I guess where I was going with it is that out of those 65 writers who vote, I can guarantee you none of them--zero--spend more than 5 minutes filling the thing out no matter what they say. We as employees in the normal world know it. It's something they likely do on the shitter before taking their kids to school because, like fantasy football lineups, it's a pain-in-the-ass task they have to do every week along with way more important stuff like writing articles, doing interviews, meetings, etc.

They have built in human bias, they have homer bias, and most importantly (to this topic), they aren't football-educated enough to tell anyone if Clemson is better than Ohio State or LSU. Coaches might be in their poll, but their homer bias is off the charts.

And I'm sorry, a single head to head game is a sample size of 1 and it's not statistically valid. If anyone out there thinks it is they probably can't blink and eat at the same time.
 
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Fryowa said:
Agree, but Clemson ahead of OSU is ridonkulous. Ohio State is clearly the best team mathematically but they got bumped to #3 because of a couple plays that happened. I don't disagree that they came in "third place," but that's different than saying they're third best. If an Asscar driver won every regular season race but finished their dumb "Race For The Chase" playoff thing in second by the skin of his teeth you'd still say he was the best driver.

I guess where I was going with it is that out of those 65 writers who vote, I can guarantee you none of them--zero--spend more than 5 minutes filling the thing out no matter what they say. We as employees in the normal world know it. It's something they likely do on the shitter before taking their kids to school because, like fantasy football lineups, it's a pain-in-the-ass task they have to do every week along with way more important stuff like writing articles, doing interviews, meetings, etc.

They have built in human bias, they have homer bias, and most importantly (to this topic), they aren't football-educated enough to tell anyone if Clemson is better than Ohio State or LSU. Coaches might be in their poll, but their homer bias is off the charts.

And I'm sorry, a single head to head game is a sample size of 1 and it's not statistically valid. If anyone out there thinks it is they probably can't blink and eat at the same time.
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It would be interesting to see how the writers voted, if that is available. It would not surprise me if there is a regional bias among them. OSU losing this year will just give them a bigger chip on their shoulder for 2020. Great. Maybe I should pick my fantasy lineup in that way, as my current method of analysis to pick my best weekly lineup ends up in the dumper.
 
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