Just for the record, I did not say that Stanzi, or Tate, for that matter, played worse in their senior years...I cited "perceived" because there were many on this board who made that claim. I think Stanzi was better as a senior; I think Tate was hurt and limited. Also, I thought I made it clear that they were quarter backing two very different teams.
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Just for the record, I did not say that Stanzi, or Tate, for that matter, played worse in their senior years...I cited "perceived" because there were many on this board who made that claim. I think Stanzi was better as a senior; I think Tate was hurt and limited. Also, I thought I made it clear that they were quarter backing two very different teams.
Stanzi
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The line got blown up on the interception, but it was still a poor decision to throw that ball. The second pass wouldn't have been picked. Weisman had a lot of room in front of him. I wonder if we're even talking about the same play.
Bullock and Garmon were also ahead of Weisman and the only way Weisman gets a whiff at RB is through attrition. Go Figure. Sometimes I wonder exactly how keen KF's intuition actually is or if he wrestles with loyalty issues continuously in his decision making.
People are making it seem as if the coaches never would have tried Weisman at RB without the injuries. He came in as a FB, that is the position he played all throughout HS and in his short time at the AFA. He was our best/healthiest option at FB for the first 2 games, thus forcing the coaches to play him there.
The coaches had him start taking reps at RB for the first time in his life during the week leading up to the UNI game. This was of course before Bullock and Garmon ever went down with injuries. They had an idea that he could be successful there.
The coaches also called his number on the goal-line in the UNI game before Bullock or Garmon were injured. They knew he was a good short yardage runner.
When Bullock and Garmon went down on back-to-back plays the coaches were forced to bust out the Weisman/Rogers backfield, but it was coming eventually anyways. I am sure they had no idea just how successful Weisman would be in this role, but for that matter, neither did any other coach in the country as I don't think Weisman had any offers from BCS-conference schools.
We also can't neglect the fact that the OL is absolutely rolling right now, and Bullock had gained 77 yards in a little over a quarter of work against UNI. Weisman is a stud, but the chances are strong that Bullock/Canzieri/Coker/ARob/Wegher/McCall would also be kicking *** right now.
RocknRollface
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Ahead can mean different things. jvb knowledge of the system and reading defenses can be far ahead
but that doesn't mean his ability to throw a pass or see the field or remain calm under pressure are ahead.
ICHawk24
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When playing QB, the #1 job is running the offense. Reading the signals, calling the plays, reading the protections, calling plays at the line (when he is given multiple to choose from) and audibling when necessary. The coaches have always raved about JVB's skills in this area. Maybe they're just backing their guy, or maybe they actually mean it. Maybe his job of running the offense outweighs the downsides he has had in the passing game this year.
Rudock may actually have slightly better passing skills but may not be up to snuff in these areas. Stanzi insists he wasn't ready to play in his redshirt freshman season, maybe Rudock is in the same situation?
ICHawk24
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Basically every coach in Division 1, other than the AFA, whiffed on Weisman. The AFA is the only school that gave him a chance. Then he went to the AFA and they got to see him every day, and they whiffed on him. Weisman came to Iowa, and this fall was starting over Rogers despite the fact that the fans and media were fawning over Rogers and wondering how many carries he'd see. When RB troubles happened, the Iowa coaches gave Weisman a look, rather than go to Malloy or Dawson or some other RB deep down the depth chart.
If anything, Kirk and co. should be given props of being the only staff who gave him a shot at running back. There are 1,000 division one coaches who failed.
Not to tough of decision for the coaches in regard to picking Weisman over Malloy and/or Dawson.
Also, Rogers most likely would have been the starting FB if not for injuries suffered at the beginning of camp.
I'm just glad the coaches decided to give Weisman a look at RB and also think Rogers is doing an outstanding job of blocking for him.
RocknRollface
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Bullock and Garmon were also ahead of Weisman and the only way Weisman gets a whiff at RB is through attrition. Go Figure. Sometimes I wonder exactly how keen KF's intuition actually is or if he wrestles with loyalty issues continuously in his decision making.
Weisman was the starting fullback because Brad Rodgers was injured.
Different situation and Bullock is not a bad back at all.
The Christansen Stanzi situation is closer. You had a completely inaccurate upperclassmen but one who rarely turned the ball over and was good in practice vs a better passing young guy but one who was a turnover machine.
In the end Stanzi was the better option even with all of his turnover problems.
RocknRollface
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Yeah that was my point. The younger guys are lacking in knowledge which can be gained over time, so we could potentially see a much better product at QB next year.
And Im sure Vandenburg displays good passing skills in practice even though his mechanics are breaking down under real pressure.
Stanzi and Christensen is better but let's not forget that the Ricky Stanzi most people remember is his Sr year numbers. A young Ricky certainly had a penchant for the pick six. I can't imagine he wasn't throwing those in practice either. We know KF puts a premium ball security. I really think he was hoping JC could be a serviceable QB but as we all know, it wasn't to be.
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eveningnewsteam
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It shouldnt. The same guy had Adam Shada playing in front of Bradley Fletcher and Colin Sleeper starting in front of Jordan Bernstein.
