RocknRollface
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Not sure what nba connections matter anyway. If a players good enough to play in the league he will, if not he won't.
Harty: Is Fran still the man with the plan?
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Not sure what nba connections matter anyway. If a players good enough to play in the league he will, if not he won't.
HawkeyeNTexas
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Iowa needs to hire a coach that is not coming from a mid-major and/or the coach needs to be black.
It would be kinda cool if you could give a quick summery on what happened all those years. I don't really remember '56 that well.
SpecialKHawk
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I am not disagreeing with you at all but who would that be because that would mean a current minority coach from a power conference school otherwise it would be from a mid-major but unproven at the power conf level?
If from the power conferences how much will that cost not only for the coach but the level of staff he will insist upon?
Keep in mind the last minority coach did not find Iowa City appealing at all and left after 3 years. Maybe that was just him but trying to retain said coach if he is successful will have to be accounted for.
A power conference coach minority or not is probably going to command a minimum 5 year contract starting at 2.5 to 3 mil per year. So if said coach does not work out we are looking at a pretty hefty buyout potentially.
I am wondering if there will come a point in this plan that means we need someone that can overcome all of our built in deficiencies that we start to lose money in basketball even if it works? B-ball generates some revenue but even at some of the best programs there is not as much margin as one would think.
HomerChampless
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Meh, I saw him play. Junior and senior seasons he did the 'Michael Paine swoon'. Metaphor meaning he started out like Paine as a world beater and ended his career like Paine in a whimper. Boyle couldn't hit the broad side of a barn his junior and senior years. Guys in my circle were laughing and mimicking his shot (clang noises). Way off subject, I know.
HomerChampless
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A masochist?
tm3308
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Borderline guys might benefit from connections, though.
HomerChampless
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Since is way off the thread, I won't mention that Davis wasn't great with fundamentals. His teams played helter skelter defense. His teams played 3 quarter court trap defense half of the game. Opposing teams could throw over the defense for an easy bunny... Davis' half court defense wasn't effective.
His recruiting wasn't great and what did Davis in was his inability to recruit quality Iowa high schoolers to play at Iowa (they were poached by Kansas).
His recruiting wasn't great and what did Davis in was his inability to recruit quality Iowa high schoolers to play at Iowa (they were poached by Kansas).
jacknicholson
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It would be kinda cool if you could give a quick summery on what happened all those years. I don't really remember '56 that well.
One Word: BillRussell, who played for the San Francisco Dons against the Hawks for the National Championship.....
I am not going to mention Connie Hawkins and the three National Championships we would have had a serious shot at.....
Ralph Miller's team with Downtown Freddie Brown and John Johnson lost to Jacksonville, the eventual champs with Artis Gilmore playing with 5 fouls. Pembroke Burroughs drove the dagger through our hearts at the end.....
In the Final Four if Ronnie Lester wasn't slammed to the floor on a layup attempt by Roger Burkman of Louisville, and hadn't reinjured his knee, and continued to play we had a very good chance of beating eventual champion, Louisville. The game was dead even up to that point. Lester's injury occurred pre-conference at Dayton near the end of the game when we were up by twenty points.....
Another word: RayThompson, declared ineligible by Hunter Rawlings, president of the University of Iowa, although eligible by NCAA and Big Ten standards. Marble, Horton and BJ's last season. Rodney Monroe was unstoppable shooting threes in the second half and OT. Ray was our best defender as a freshman, he was quick and a demon on D. The man was a household word after all.....
Hunter was concerned about the The Hawkeye image after the sports agent trial in Chicago. Iowa was made to appear the villain in the press, Ronnie Harmon and his motor scooter and all that.....
Tom Davis was furious. Ray had practiced with the team all week, and the night before leaving, Rawlings dropped the bomb. The P**** Rawlings left for Dartmouth soon after.....
We don't happen to be a Marquee team at this point in time, we are slowly but surely working our way back to respectability despite falling apart at the end of last season.....
The stain of the Lick years is difficult to erase quickly. The damage done was enormous.....
Hang in there and keep the faith..
Please stop the talk of replacing Fran. He is going to be around a while, and in my mind this is a good thing.....
Remember the experts saying last season, Fran's third, that the Hawks had the best transition team in the Big Ten, that included MSU.....
The league has adjusted and so will we. We were overrated last season from the start, hearing that we were a Final Four team by so called experts created impossible expectations to achieve Fran's fourth year.....
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wundergrape
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It would be kinda cool if you could give a quick summery on what happened all those years. I don't really remember '56 that well.
Here you go:
http://blackandgoldworld.wordpress....ched-summit-a-look-at-modern-iowa-basketball/
ArvadaHawk
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That is an excellent read.
wundergrape
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Thanks man.
MisterLucky
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I have no doubt that you and your friends mocked Boyle. Afterall, he only hit 51% of his shots from the field his junior year and was a paltry 82% from the FT line. My gawd, why would Lute even play him?!? I saw every one of Boyle's games and he was a great Hawkeye and still one of my personal favorites. Should have won Freshman of the Year in the Big Ten. His only real fault was inexplicitly struggling from the line as a senior.
jacknicholson
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Lietuva
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If I recall correctly, the reason that Payne "swooned" is because he was forced to play the power forward position. Greg Stokes was better at the center position, so Payne moved to the forward position. I always wondered what Payne's stats would have been had he stayed at center.
Word at the time was a chronic injury to his shooting hand. But yeah, he was a great shooter earlier in his career.
HomerChampless
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OMG, did you see Boyle play? Anyway, using your logic, A. White is a great shooter... It's easy to maintain that shooting average when you're shooting layups. White and Boyle weren't defense busters with their outside shot.
And well, Boyle couldn't really get inside once every opponent realized he couldn't shoot from the perimeter. Was Boyle a good get for Lute at Iowa? I guess in the same way as an unnamed power forward with an outside shot was a good get for Fran at Iowa (and having the same type of career success playing for Iowa).
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MisterLucky
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As I stated, I saw pretty much every game of his career and still have most of them on videotape. I still watch them occasionally. Boyle made a living shooting from the baseline all the way out to the corner and from near the top of the key. He was a relentless defender and was even featured in Sports Illustrated for his skills. You weren't a fan of his, fine, but you are just wrong about him. i would bet if you could ask Lute to name his favorite players, Boyle would make the list.
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