Gronowski has a bad shoulder - out until June

I did get a tens unit off Amazon at home after they used it on me in PT and it was amazing. I must be built different because I went straight to full power right off the bat and loved it. My PT guy started at the lower settings and said something like, “Tell me when it gets uncomfortable and I’ll back it off…” I get telling him to bump it up and eventually I hit max power like Spinal Tap. I was a little bummed cause it didn’t go to 11 :)
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Gents, we are Iowa and this is a QB. How else could we land one of the top portal QBs in the country unless he had a wart of two? I also think this shows that the discussion of the NFL was BS, and he needed to find a landing spot that was big enough to showcase his talents, but desperate enough to accept him currently broken. Enter Iowa, stage left.

Seriously, this doesn't change my belief that signing him was 100% the right thing to do. When you have sucked at offense for a decade or more, you gotta take some risks. Situations like Nebraska where the legacy kid happens to be the #1 QB in the country just don't happen very often.

So, you take your swing and hope the surgery is successful and you get the kid that dominated FCS. If not, you got three other guys in the room that have started games in the two best conferences in the country. I trust Lester to find a QB in that room.
Agreed. Before the injury was disclosed, though, I figured at a bare minimum Iowa would get an average, competent performance from him. A big, mobile guy who could manage a game, wouldn't turn it over much, and was a great leader. And that would be a major step up from past seasons for Iowa. That was the baseline.

I know I am bringing the Cade-bias into play here, but the baseline has dropped for me. Like it's way too easy to imagine a scenario where he sort of sucks the first few games, and the narrative is all about how he is still trying to develop timing with his WRs, he missed the past 6 months, Iowa's coaches are trying to let him work through it by playing him, etc.

Maybe combine that with a hard hit or two on the shoulder, and we also start hearing how he is trying to get his confidence back, doesn't trust his shoulder, changing his mechanics a bit due to that, etc.....and again, how the coaches are trying to build that confidence back up by playing him in games.

All of which might be fair. Or maybe some of it is his rust combined with a struggle to adjust to the speed of the pass rush at the next level and the closing ability of Big 10 defensive backs.

Like I said, I'm already having flashbacks here, some of which might not be rational.

I do think this is more of a true competition now, because to Lester's credit, there is some real depth with that position group. And those guys have a 6 month head start to close the gap on the presumed #1.
 
This is why Iowa could afford him.

“Mechanic’s special. As is, no warranty, no return.”
Like Iowa didn't give him a medical evaluation before accepting his commitment. Iowa knew about this and anyone who thinks they didn't doesn't really know how these visits and evaluations go. I am positive he had to provide medical documentation, and to be honest, they were discussing how he was playing hurt during the national championship game and I heard it at least half a dozen times. Not only did Iowa know, the whole country did.
 
Bottom line Iowa gambled for something damaged that in good condition they would never ever get, so I get it. Same as the CM thing, let's hope this one turns out better, like way better. I do think the potential upside on Gronowski is much higher potential based on size and body of work. We need a QB, Gron needs a place to heal, make money and hopefully add some tape to his NFL application.
 
Like Iowa didn't give him a medical evaluation before accepting his commitment. Iowa knew about this and anyone who thinks they didn't doesn't really know how these visits and evaluations go. I am positive he had to provide medical documentation, and to be honest, they were discussing how he was playing hurt during the national championship game and I heard it at least half a dozen times. Not only did Iowa know, the whole country did.
I didn't know as many others didn't but of course Iowa knew. That is obvious
 
Bottom line Iowa gambled for something damaged that in good condition they would never ever get, so I get it. Same as the CM thing, let's hope this one turns out better, like way better. I do think the potential upside on Gronowski is much higher potential based on size and body of work. We need a QB, Gron needs a place to heal, make money and hopefully add some tape to his NFL application.
Exactly
 
Signing CM was 100% the right thing to do. Turns out that it didn't work out. There are no guarantees in life.
Signing Gron was 100% the right thing to do. Hopefully it turns out better. No one knows what will happen.

But, you keep recruiting QBs until you find one that is worth a damn and at least we are looking at guys a few steps above Wisconsin's third string reject.

I have said it before and I will say it again, even considering this injury (which he should recover from fully before camp) this is a formidable QB room and far above what Iowa deserves right now. All hail Lester!
 
How fun is all this... :rolleyes:

So that explains the whole delay in things becoming official with him committing then when it seemed like he was coming to Iowa for awhile. Some had rumored that other schools were in on him too but once they found out the medicals they backed off. Which makes sense too. That makes more sense then him deciding between the NFL and school because if he chose NFL who's paying for the procedure? Make the schools insurance do it is always the easiest answer.

He wasn't going to go to NFL cause if he can't do spring ball then he wouldn't have been able to do the combine for NFL either. He woulda really needed that I would think to impress NFL GMs.

Here's where Iowa and the Swarm I think both conspired to dupe donors. Brad was tweeting with both hands out begging for $ the days prior to Mark committing yet all this medical stuff was already known about his decision to have this procedure done. They (Iowa coaches and Brad) knew had the injury been disclosed publicly prior to the commitment many donors woulda sat on their wallets. To me that's pretty shitty to do and had I donated a significant amount I'd have felt a type a way about it.

All that said maybe he won't need all the spring practices to get up to speed for week one. If he's good for August camp maybe that'll be good enough.... At this point we have Sully in the wings if not and we are where we are. Crossing fingers Sully doesn't leave I know he's said he wouldn't but we all know how things can change. My guess is we haven't seen the last of Sully taking snaps. Time will tell.
 
I was in a lot of pain so I took oxy once. It made me feel worse than my shoulder. I had 3 vertebrae fused in my neck 2 years ago and didn't take any then either. Just Tylenol. I would take oxy again if I had to, but it wouldn't be my first choice.
That was the one and only period in my life where I took opioids and it scared the bejesus out of me. I HATE that I liked how I felt and I never wanted to admit it. My brain is one of those where anything with morphine in it makes me feel like I have no cares and I think I'm Superman. Some folks I know it just makes them feel awful.

There was a lady in a town over from us who's husband at the time worked in my office. She had a surgery and got hooked on 'em, started stealing from people she knew had them, friends/family out of their medicine cabinets, etc. Did that a while and got deeper into it and finally got caught by someone who turned her in. Police ended up finding quite a stash so she was in big trouble. Faced prison time but the judge gave her probation and court-ordered 30 day treatment center.

Couple years later she got busted doing the same time and that time ended up going to the big house. Nicest lady you've ever met. She lost her marriage, kids, house, job, and freedom, and obviously destroyed her family's lives too.

I was pretty arrogant and looked down on her when all that was going down, I had the "how could you?" attitude like I was better than that. After taking it for my surgery I understood completely how one could get gripped like that and I changed to feeling sad for her. It's terrible stuff. Ryan Leaf's story is horrible and I'm super happy that he's been able to do a 180. Most people don't get the chance.

I'll never touch that shit again and I'm so glad 1) it's really hard to get legally now, and 2) I was fortunate enough to have grown up in a situation where I don't know any drug dealers and wouldn't know where to go if I wanted to meet one. If I had had a bad childhood it might've been different.
 
Here's where Iowa and the Swarm I think both conspired to dupe donors. Brad was tweeting with both hands out begging for $ the days prior to Mark committing yet all this medical stuff was already known about his decision to have this procedure done. They (Iowa coaches and Brad) knew had the injury been disclosed publicly prior to the commitment many donors woulda sat on their wallets. To me that's pretty shitty to do and had I donated a significant amount I'd have felt a type a way about it.
I have to think that donors could back out if they wanted to, and I'd also venture to guess that the big ones whose money was targeted at Gronowski knew already before they ponied up. If Heinrichs did something like that on the down low without saying anything privately that's a great way to scare off donors and not have them playing ball in the future.

Now the people doing the $150 or whatever monthly to the Swarm you could argue they have a right to be pissed, but those guys' money is just going into the overall pot. Those people aren't the one's being solicited to write big checks targeting certain players. The ones being asked for 6-7 digits to get certain players know for what and where their money is going.
 
Signing CM was 100% the right thing to do. Turns out that it didn't work out. There are no guarantees in life.
Signing Gron was 100% the right thing to do. Hopefully it turns out better. No one knows what will happen.

But, you keep recruiting QBs until you find one that is worth a damn and at least we are looking at guys a few steps above Wisconsin's third string reject.

I have said it before and I will say it again, even considering this injury (which he should recover from fully before camp) this is a formidable QB room and far above what Iowa deserves right now. All hail Lester!
Yep.

Upper body injuries are manageable, anything waist-level or below I'd be totally against it, though. Those just don't seem to ever rehab 100% and be reliable. The reinjury rate for knees/ankles is just astounding.
 
Like Iowa didn't give him a medical evaluation before accepting his commitment. Iowa knew about this and anyone who thinks they didn't doesn't really know how these visits and evaluations go. I am positive he had to provide medical documentation, and to be honest, they were discussing how he was playing hurt during the national championship game and I heard it at least half a dozen times. Not only did Iowa know, the whole country did.
I never said it was a bad move, but I am saying it likely played a part in Iowa being able to land him. I also think the folks writing the checks for this knew about it 100%.

Like I mentioned in my previous posts, upper body injuries are NBD comparatively to a knee, etc.
 
We need a QB, Gron needs a place to heal, make money and hopefully add some tape to his NFL application
Replace McNamara with Gronkowski and the same sentence could be written. And McNamara's pedigree of leading his team to a BTen championship -- and looking good while doing it -- was a lot more impressive than Gronk's accomplishments up to this point.
I've seen injuries negatively impact enough players to know that I'll be pessimistic on how he recovers and plays in the BTen until I see differently.
 
How fun is all this... :rolleyes:

So that explains the whole delay in things becoming official with him committing then when it seemed like he was coming to Iowa for awhile. Some had rumored that other schools were in on him too but once they found out the medicals they backed off. Which makes sense too. That makes more sense then him deciding between the NFL and school because if he chose NFL who's paying for the procedure? Make the schools insurance do it is always the easiest answer.

He wasn't going to go to NFL cause if he can't do spring ball then he wouldn't have been able to do the combine for NFL either. He woulda really needed that I would think to impress NFL GMs.

Here's where Iowa and the Swarm I think both conspired to dupe donors. Brad was tweeting with both hands out begging for $ the days prior to Mark committing yet all this medical stuff was already known about his decision to have this procedure done. They (Iowa coaches and Brad) knew had the injury been disclosed publicly prior to the commitment many donors woulda sat on their wallets. To me that's pretty shitty to do and had I donated a significant amount I'd have felt a type a way about it.

All that said maybe he won't need all the spring practices to get up to speed for week one. If he's good for August camp maybe that'll be good enough.... At this point we have Sully in the wings if not and we are where we are. Crossing fingers Sully doesn't leave I know he's said he wouldn't but we all know how things can change. My guess is we haven't seen the last of Sully taking snaps. Time will tell.
What an incredible number of assumptions packed into one post!
 
I have to think that donors could back out if they wanted to, and I'd also venture to guess that the big ones who's money was targeted at Gronowski knew already before they ponied up. If Heinrichs did something like that on the down low without saying something privately that's a great way to scare off donors and not have them playing ball in the future.

Now the people doing the $150 or whatever monthly to the Swarm you could argue they have a right to be pissed, but those guys' money is just going into the overall pot. Those people aren't the one's being solicited to write big checks targeting certain players. The ones being asked for 6-7 digits to get certain players know for what and where their money is going.
Wish we knew any of those big $ donors to know for sure. One would think that way you're guess is as good as mine. But regardless he was tweeting publicly begging and everyone knew why. It wasn't so they could land the kicker recruit they just got.
 
That was the one and only period in my life where I took opioids and it scared the bejesus out of me. I HATE that I liked how I felt and I never wanted to admit it. My brain is one of those where anything with morphine in it makes me feel like I have no cares and I think I'm Superman. Some folks I know it just makes them feel awful.

There was a lady in a town over from us who's husband at the time worked in my office. She had a surgery and got hooked on 'em, started stealing from people she knew had them, friends/family out of their medicine cabinets, etc. Did that a while and got deeper into it and finally got caught by someone who turned her in. Police ended up finding quite a stash so she was in big trouble. Faced prison time but the judge gave her probation and court-ordered 30 day treatment center.

Couple years later she got busted doing the same time and that time ended up going to the big house. Nicest lady you've ever met. She lost her marriage, kids, house, job, and freedom, and obviously destroyed her family's lives too.

I was pretty arrogant and looked down on her when all that was going down, I had the "how could you?" attitude like I was better than that. After taking it for my surgery I understood completely how one could get gripped like that and I changed to feeling sad for her. It's terrible stuff. Ryan Leaf's story is horrible and I'm super happy that he's been able to do a 180. Most people don't get the chance.

I'll never touch that shit again and I'm so glad 1) it's really hard to get legally now, and 2) I was fortunate enough to have grown up in a situation where I don't know any drug dealers and wouldn't know where to go if I wanted to meet one. If I had had a bad childhood it might've been different.
That's a sad story about your co-workers wife. But I know it can happen. My personality is like that -- get me some pain pills or muscle relaxants and I wanna be on 'em for the rest of my livin' days.
 
This appears to be a smart move by Gronowski.
Bad shoulder etc would likely have a very negative impact on his combine effort and NFL draft potential this year.
Opportunity to get a good repair at one of the best ortho facilities in the US, and another year of game experience at a higher level can only improve his draft stock next year.
While getting paid well for his rehab year.
 
This appears to be a smart move by Gronowski.
Bad shoulder etc would likely have a very negative impact on his combine effort and NFL draft potential this year.
Opportunity to get a good repair at one of the best ortho facilities in the US, and another year of game experience at a higher level can only improve his draft stock next year.
While getting paid well for his rehab year.
I agree it's a no brainer for him. For Iowa it kinda is too. Since they didn't seem to have any other better options. Iowa wasn't turning down a healthy Pribula for him. Hell MG is lucky Pribula did go to Mizzu cause that may have cornered Mark into going pro and then what? He put off the surgery and go do the combine and see how he does? There's what ifs all over the place with this that are fun to think about. Most of em don't matter now though. He's a Hawk and we'll get our first look at him week 1.
 
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