Greg Garmon
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STILLBUSTER
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On what grounds?
* rating? He was rated higher (Rivals 4*, #15 best RB) than all of these guys and the highest rated in a decade (only other 4* were Kalvin Bailey (05, Rivals 4*, #27) and Wegher (09, Rivals 4*, #16).
03 = Champ Davis
04 = Damion Sims
05 = Dana Brown
08 = Willie Lowe
09 = Shane Dibona
10 = DeAndre Johnson & Anthony Hitchens (recruited at RB)
11 = Jordan Canzeri & Torry Campbell
12 = Nate Meier
Size, strength and speed? He was as big (6'2", 200#) as at least 1/2 the guys above and bigger than several (Lowe & Canzeri, off the top of my head) and probably faster than all but maybe Canzeri.
Or are you simply commenting on the fact that, like every one of the above guys he wasn't "field ready" but somehow ended up playing? In that case, I might partially agree but the fact that he did play was mostly due to injury and attrition, not because he was expected to be a true freshman contributor.
Garmon was no where near "the least ready freshman RB". However, he was one of the most misused relative to his skill set.
It was accepted that, due to his size (DiNardo called him "slight".), Garmon wasn't brought in to be the next Greene or Coker. He was brought in due to his speed. Unfortunately, in typical Corporal Kurt fashion, he was a square peg forced into a round hole -- the round hole being between the tackles. Rarely was he used in space, or, more importantly, was the play-calling designed to get him the ball in space (pitches, sweeps, reverses) where he had some speed built up on the outside. Nope, typical inside hand-offs into an 8-man box. Slow developing stretch reads behind lumbering OL where a gap barely existed.
Garmon had skills that could have and should have contributed as a true freshman but they were squandered by the ridiculous limitations of The Offensive scheme.
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Section136
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A lot of those guys were never "freshman RB's" at Iowa. Just because they were listed by a recruiting service as a RB, doesnt mean they ever saw a second of practice time as a RB at Iowa.
So you can pretty much remove Lowe, Dibona, Hitchens, Campbell and Meier from that list.
eveningnewsteam
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He wasnt ready. He was thrown in there out of necessity.
What is your point? Canzeri was smaller and took it to the hole when asked. Stop acting like it is the first back that was smaller and had to take it to the hole. I bet they know those speedy guys can get to the edge, but if they can not get used to going up the gut, what good are they? The other team will figure that out real fast.
Greg Garmon looks like he would florish out of the shotgun with delayed hand offs or screen passes out to the flats or in the slot at WR. He is not a between the tackles RB. I don't think this coaching staff is using him correctly or using him to capitalize on the best of his abilities.
He came to Iowa because most other schools where recruiting him as a DB or WR. He wanted his shot at RB and Iowa was willing to give it to him. I watched the HS All-star game (can't remember exactly which one, Semper FI maybe?!?!), when he annoucned he was going to play for Iowa, he was asked why, he responded with something like "At Iowa, the RB's get all the touches/balls."
He is too thin for his height (6'2", 200 lbs on Scout) to run up the middle with a stacked box going against him and the O-line. A few of the guys in the media have said that he MIGHT be 200 lbs full dressed and soaking wet. The coaching staff played him because he is talented and because RB was extremely thin and lacks depth with real experience. I am really hoping that this is a situation where they either use him more as I described above or get him to switch to a slot WR or another position that he can really excel. If they continue to pound him up the middle he is going to get destroyed, like a lot of Iowa RBs from the past. Unless he puts on about 30 or more pounds, but then they risk losing his speed and quickness as well.
He came to Iowa because most other schools where recruiting him as a DB or WR. He wanted his shot at RB and Iowa was willing to give it to him. I watched the HS All-star game (can't remember exactly which one, Semper FI maybe?!?!), when he annoucned he was going to play for Iowa, he was asked why, he responded with something like "At Iowa, the RB's get all the touches/balls."
He is too thin for his height (6'2", 200 lbs on Scout) to run up the middle with a stacked box going against him and the O-line. A few of the guys in the media have said that he MIGHT be 200 lbs full dressed and soaking wet. The coaching staff played him because he is talented and because RB was extremely thin and lacks depth with real experience. I am really hoping that this is a situation where they either use him more as I described above or get him to switch to a slot WR or another position that he can really excel. If they continue to pound him up the middle he is going to get destroyed, like a lot of Iowa RBs from the past. Unless he puts on about 30 or more pounds, but then they risk losing his speed and quickness as well.
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kicker22
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IMO if we are going to continue to keep our recievers running short routes and look for YAC rather than throwing the ball down field I think we need to move both Garmon and Bullock out of the backfield. They are both explosive players and if able to get the ball with open field in front of them could be home run threats. Iowa will continue to pound the rock offensively and Weisman is built for that, so lets keep our gamebreakers on the field, but put them in a position where the homerun threat is a possibility.
What is our cut off for too long? Words with more than five letters or more than one or two sentences? WHAT TELL ME PLEASE!?!?!?!?!?!?
gohawks71
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Eda
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Incorrect. They ran Garmon on sweeps/stretch plays. They tried working in screens for him. They ran wheel routes/flares to get him into open space. He even was back on KO receive. I don't necessarily believe he was ready to play yet.
Had he had the opportunity to wear a shirt and hang with Doyle his first year on campus, it would have done him a world if good. Instead the RB attrition forced him into action and you see the result.
One or two sweep or stretch plays in the limited amount of reps he got isn't going to show anything. I only remember maybe one or two wheel routes, all season with Garmon.
Vandenberg missing most players running in-stride on those types of plays had more of an impact than Garmon did.
Garmon isn't going to be a between the tackles back, unless he puts on at least 30 pounds, he is 6'2" and only around 200 maybe. One year with Doyle most likely wasn't going to give him the healthy weight or muscle gain to be a between the tackles run up the middle kind of player. That isn't who Garmon is or is ever really going to excel at while at Iowa.
racerhawk
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Your post was interesting. I've also wondered if Garmon could be used more effectively.
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To me garmon is a great player to bring in to help a team realize a new version of their scheme. Iowa's scheme isn't broke it just needs some tweaking. I see greg like percy harvin. Not fully a wr or rb but a guy that causes match up problems. Percy did well in the spread and does well in the pro-style. You just have to put him in the right positions. Put him in the slot and sometimes behind the qb and sometimes as a shotgun rb. We don't need to change scheme we need to utilize some new personnel groupings and new formations to dictate better match ups.
Garmon had 38 carries all season in 12 games for 122 yards
and had 8 catchs for 57 yards not enough touchs to draw any type of a conclusion.
plus until Cotton took over he had 5 returns for 118 yards for a 23.6 ypr.
in my opinion if not for injuries he would have Red Shirted, but on the flip side if he had not got hurt a couple of plays after Bullock did, we may never had seen what Weisman could or would have done.
who knows Bullock may go back to where he was practicing be fore the injuries happened, he was working out as a slot receiver, because Cotton had not shown anything until this fall. they would make very good pair of slot receivers with Bullock taking Cottons place after he graduates,
getting as many play makers on the field as possible. Iowa is starting to get the playmakers, now its a matter of getting them on the field.
Harris and Mitchell are both listed as athletes with sub 4.5 40 speed.
even the WR are getting faster.
and had 8 catchs for 57 yards not enough touchs to draw any type of a conclusion.
plus until Cotton took over he had 5 returns for 118 yards for a 23.6 ypr.
in my opinion if not for injuries he would have Red Shirted, but on the flip side if he had not got hurt a couple of plays after Bullock did, we may never had seen what Weisman could or would have done.
who knows Bullock may go back to where he was practicing be fore the injuries happened, he was working out as a slot receiver, because Cotton had not shown anything until this fall. they would make very good pair of slot receivers with Bullock taking Cottons place after he graduates,
getting as many play makers on the field as possible. Iowa is starting to get the playmakers, now its a matter of getting them on the field.
Harris and Mitchell are both listed as athletes with sub 4.5 40 speed.
even the WR are getting faster.
KirkNOTCharisma
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Can we all just take a second to smile and think about the terrible, demeaning, and downright awful things we would have said to Herby had he posted this?
I realize this was much more logical and relevant than anything he has ever spewed on here, so in that way it's really not a fair comparison. But I just can't help but think of how much less **** he would take if he took his time to actually organize his thoughts before he starts slamming his face on the keyboard.
there are some falacies with this post about who was recruited for what positions.
Hitchens was a rb who was recruited to play DB and now is a lb'r
Dibona was a LB'r
Lowe was a DB
Campbell was a DB recruit that played RB in HS
Meier was never going to be a RB
some of the other never made past their SO year
Hitchens was a rb who was recruited to play DB and now is a lb'r
Dibona was a LB'r
Lowe was a DB
Campbell was a DB recruit that played RB in HS
Meier was never going to be a RB
some of the other never made past their SO year
TychoBrahe
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This is an intelligent comment. Too often we get players from one HS system (often a spread attack) and try and immediately think they can transition to our pro-set system. Garmon was that kind of guy--I wish we had seen him do more of the stuff he did back in HS, rather than trying to mold him into an under-sized I-back. I think toss-sweep plays and screens and wheel-routes were the way to go with him (and were tried a bit, at first), though there is one other thing to think about: maybe the O-line, with their injuries, couldn't adapt, either. So, in the end, perhaps GD felt it was better to stick Garmon into an established OL philosophy rather than trying to run plays that might've been better for Garmon, but perhaps the OL wouldn't be as good at.
I think we will see BOTH a better Garmon and OL next season--that being said, I want us to spread the running game out more, anyway, with guys like Garmon and Bullock. Let Weisman do the between-the-tackles stuff.
Garmon is a play maker Iowa needs.
he can play RB, Slot Receiver and even split out to WR, that has the size and speed to do some damage
at 6'1 200 lbs I would not call him undersized.
I would like to see more swing passes to him out in the flat, where can do something with the ball.
Weisman as the H-Back, Bullock in the slot and Garmon split out at times, that's a good way to get your playmakers on the field
he can play RB, Slot Receiver and even split out to WR, that has the size and speed to do some damage
at 6'1 200 lbs I would not call him undersized.
I would like to see more swing passes to him out in the flat, where can do something with the ball.
Weisman as the H-Back, Bullock in the slot and Garmon split out at times, that's a good way to get your playmakers on the field
