Greg Davis 4/24 Transcript

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COACH DAVIS: The scoring system for the spring game will be offense basically scores the way they normally do, so a touchdown is six points, extra point, field goals. The other way the offense will get points in this system is three first downs in a row creates one point or an explosive play run of 12 plus or a pass of 16 plus. So that's where the offense will pick up points.
Defense scores by obviously any kind of return for a touchdown is seven points. If they get a turnover that does not result in a touchdown, it's worth three points. If they get three‑and‑out, it's worth one. A sack is worth two points. A sudden change in the red zone, if the team turns the ball over in the red zone, the offense does not score a touchdown, they get four points.
If you got that down, you're in the wrong business. You should be in the accounting line of work.
But that's the way we'll do it. It's a pretty good way to have an offense play the defense and everybody gets some points. That's where we're at.
Quarterback, we have no idea right now who the quarterback will be. We started spring training with the idea that every time we practice we would rotate every two snaps. Whether or not that was a drill or whether or not that was a scrimmage or a situation, you know, third‑and‑six, red zone, whatever, the situation was totally we're rotating every two snaps.
In Saturday's work, we did that during our individual time. Then when we went and scrimmaged, we let the quarterback own his drive. If he started the drive, it was three‑and‑out, the next quarterback played the next series. If the quarterback went eight, nine, ten plays, he got to own his drive. That is probably the way we'll do it this Saturday.
Kirk and I have talked about it. He'll make a decision. But probably what we'll do is the quarterback will get to own his drive this Saturday. They'll both play with all the groups.
They've all done some really good things, but they have not separated themselves yet. I see things as encouraging by all three of them. So that part makes you happy. I wish one of them would go on and separate. So that's where we're at right now at that position.

Q. Anything stand out of the three of them?
COACH DAVIS: Well, you know, I've been asked a lot of times over the years, What do you look for when you get in a situation like this? It's not unusual. But, you know, we want guys that can make plays off schedule, when things break down, who can extend the play, who can make a play that's not exactly the way you draw it up. We want guys that will take care of the football. That will be part of the evaluation.
We want guys that make big plays. Well, those are things that we're talking to them on a daily basis. Here is what happened in yesterday's practice. Here are your mental mistakes. Here is your explosive plays. Here is this and that. There's a whole litany of things that they are aware of that we're trying to evaluate.

Q. You mentioned working with quarterbacks, having them own drives. How much does that account for the decision you make as a coaching staff as far as that separation is concerned?
COACH DAVIS: Well, a lot. Quarterback is busy taking his team from here to there. That will be a big part of it. But also taking care of the ball, getting us in the right plays, and creating explosive plays. That's been a big emphasis in evaluating those guys, if they've had an opportunity, did they create that play.

Q. Is that based on the fact that most of your plays were called from the perimeter, not necessarily down the field? Is it limitation of the personnel or the play calling?
COACH DAVIS: I'm sure part of it was limitation of play calling, especially from the cards and letters I got.
There's aspects of vertical in all plays. Sometimes it's just having a better focus on giving that guy an opportunity. The other thing is most explosive plays in the passing game come off play‑action because that's when you have a chance to freeze the secondary. Usually play‑action creates better protection. You can hold the ball longer. Guys can move down the field.
We've done a lot of things this spring where, you know, hard play‑action and the receiver has a vertical decision to make at 16, whether or not he goes deep, sits down, turns in or out. All of that takes time to do. We've also tried to be very cognizant of giving our guys some opportunity to push the ball down the field.

Q. Coming off last year, do you feel more pressure?
COACH DAVIS: I feel pressure every day of what I've done for 40 years. But we did sit down and evaluate obviously things that we felt we could do better, things we should do more of, less of, whatever. And I think we've got a pretty good mix going right now.

Q. Any chance you wouldn't have been back?
COACH DAVIS: You're asking the wrong guy that.

Q. How do you feel the team has understood the offense compared to last year? Have they grasped it better?
COACH DAVIS: I think we're much further along at this point. Obviously they've had a spring, a season, a spring. Some of the conceptual things that you're trying to do, they have a better grasp of, so they're getting to it quicker, playing faster. I feel like we're much closer to being on the same page snap after snap than we were last year.

Q. Do you have the personnel for the offense even after struggles last year?
COACH DAVIS: I think what you have to do is you have to take what talent is there and try to maximize that. So make sure that we're trying to get the ball to guys that can make plays.

Q. How would you say the additions of Coach Kennedy and Coach White to the staff has changed the dynamics here?
COACH DAVIS: Coach Kennedy is obvious. We spent seven years ago. He stepped in from just a philosophical standpoint, from a language standpoint. So he was able to hit the ground running. He brings great energy to his job and does a super job.
Coach White, he's got background both in what we were doing, background from the NFL. He's brought some great thoughts to us, is a very detail‑oriented coach. I think both guys have really joined in and been a big plus.

Q. The zone read last Sunday or two Sundays ago, how is that going to work with three drop‑back quarterbacks?
COACH DAVIS: Unless they run it. Unless they run it. You know, we have implemented a little bit of zone read. But it won't be a huge part. It's a part that is aggravating to the defense. Anything that's aggravating to Coach Parker has to be a good thing because that's not what they want.
Colt McCoy, he was a drop‑back guy, yet he could run three or four, five a game and create some explosive plays. Not only that, but create some assignment football by the defense.
Just the fact that you have some of that forces the defense to play more assignment football.

Q. In some ways is it easier, because you had James, he had been established, now you're starting from scratch, is that easier on your part?
COACH DAVIS: Well, it's different. I mean, obviously it's different because none of these guys have played. All these guys can make some plays with their feet, they can extend some plays and do some things.

Q. You mentioned explosive plays a couple times. That was missing a little bit last year, but had injuries. Where do you get that next year?
COACH DAVIS: Well, I think, again, I think play‑action is a great way to start explosive plays. For the things we mentioned a while ago, usually your protection is good. You have the ability to hold the ball. When you have the ability to hold the ball, receivers can force down the field and see what is happening.
So we're doing some things down the field where receivers are making decisions at 14 and 15 yards down the field, and you can't do that unless you can hold the ball. Typically that comes from play‑action pass. It gives you a chance to take advantage of what the defense did, how they rotated to stop the run.

Q. How do you feel you want to use that?
COACH DAVIS: Going to keep doing that. You know, I think we have a good group of tight ends. We've got tight ends that will allow us to put multiple tight ends on the field, maybe have two attached, but one of them could be deployed out wide. Again, you're creating some opportunities for the defense and the way they match personnel to try to create some advantages.
So the tight ends need to be a big part of what we're doing.

Q. How tough was last season for you personally?
COACH DAVIS: I mean, you know, it's part of it. We set out as soon as it was over and created a litany of things we wanted to look at and things that we did good, things that we did bad, and how to correct those things.
So hopefully we've addressed some of those things and we'll have a chance to get better.

Q. You mentioned second‑year experience. How much of an issue was that especially for the receivers last year?
COACH DAVIS: Anytime you do things post snap, you got to get reps and reps and reps, and you're depending on quarterbacks and receivers to be seeing the same things.
There's always going to be mistakes, receiver saw one thing. But the more you can eliminate those the more opportunities you have to be consistent and stay on the field. I think we're closer in that area, we're not who we want to be, but I think we're closer now than we were at any point last year.

Q. Quick feet and decision making, can those be?
COACH DAVIS: Decision making is always a part of the quarterback position. Then guys that can extend plays. Coach Walsh told me 15 years ago, I asked him about drafting quarterbacks, and he said 50% of the snaps in the NFL are not the way you draw them up. Somebody is sliding in the pocket, you're not on the rhythm that the play is designed. So the ability for a quarterback to extend the play, to make things happen off schedule is a huge part.

Q. (Question regarding James Vandenberg.)
COACH DAVIS: It's a combination. We've moved past that. James is an outstanding young man, brilliant. I think he'll get an opportunity to play at the next level.
But, you know, it's as much my fault as any player's.

Q. With that, he probably would have been a drafted player this weekend. Do you feel the change may have prevented him from reaching his full potential or did you help him maybe reach what he could have done?
COACH DAVIS: I'm sure I could have done a better job. I'm sure I could have done a better job with James. He is a better player than he played last year.

Q. With these three quarterbacks, do you see a two‑quarterback system?
COACH DAVIS: Probably not. Probably not. I mean, we may not know when the first game starts. We had a situation where we opened the season in '06, I think it was, we played two quarterbacks every three series for two weeks in a row, then we made a decision and went with Colt.
Some things you can't evaluate in practice, 'cause they're not going to get hit. So I just said extending plays is a part of it. The first time the pocket breaks down, we blow them dead, which you have to do. But maybe they would have got out of that situation. Maybe that would have became a first down and you stay on the field.
Some of those things you can't determine until you're playing live football. So hopefully we will. Hopefully by the mid part of camp in August we'll be able to make a decision. But if not, we'll see where it goes.

Q. Are you comfortable with that kind of rotation, the two quarterback thing, in a game?
COACH DAVIS: You know, I think everybody would rather have, This is the guy. I think we all would. But at the same time if that guy has not emerged, then you need to evaluate both of them in live work. We don't have exhibition games.
If that's the way it turns out that we have to do it, that's the way we'll do it.

Q. How close is this race?
COACH DAVIS: It's close enough that they're taking every two snaps for 13 practices. They haven't separated.
But I feel like they will. I feel like they will.

Q. Getting cards and letters from angry fans. What is your reaction? Can you share any of them?
COACH DAVIS: Yeah, I can.

Q. What have you thought of the running game so far?
COACH DAVIS: Some of them are from my parents. Sorry?

Q. The run game. How does it look this spring?
COACH DAVIS: We're committed to running the football. It's been nice to have two backs the whole spring. Mark and Damon have both made every practice. That gives you an opportunity to wear down the defense. It also gives you an opportunity, because of their abilities, to put the two of them in the game and maybe you're in two backs or maybe you're in one back.
Again, some defenses, everything they do is personnel driven to match properly. So if you put that personnel on the field, then you're in one back, they don't like that. It's not that they don't know how to match it, they do. But they may be asking a linebacker to play in space that they don't want him to play in.
Those are things that, you know, you can create some advantages hopefully offensively. But both of those guys have done a good job. Very pleased with where they're at right now.

Q. (No microphone.)
COACH DAVIS: Kevonte for sure is a guy that has played a bunch of ball. It was good to have him back Saturday. He's an experienced guy. He communicates well on the field.
If we played Saturday or if we played last Saturday, the three guys we would have started in that personnel group would have been Tevaun Smith, Kevonte Martin and Donald Shumpert.

Q. You guys are still waiting on five receivers. It seems like you saw some struggles a couple weeks ago. Do you feel you still haven't seen the whole picture of what you have at receiver yet?
COACH DAVIS: We've told the freshmen receivers that some of them are going to get an opportunity to come in and show what they can do. At the same time I would caution that they're freshmen, and freshmen are freshmen.
Maybe Tevaun last year was a guy that was mature for his age. He did get to play some. He's a much better player now because of it. So maybe one or two of those guys, hopefully, will be able to come in and offer some help.
 
COACH DAVIS: The scoring system for the spring game will be offense basically scores the way they normally do, so a touchdown is six points, extra point, field goals. The other way the offense will get points in this system is three first downs in a row creates one point or an explosive play run of 12 plus or a pass of 16 plus. So that's where the offense will pick up points.
Defense scores by obviously any kind of return for a touchdown is seven points. If they get a turnover that does not result in a touchdown, it's worth three points. If they get three‑and‑out, it's worth one. A sack is worth two points. A sudden change in the red zone, if the team turns the ball over in the red zone, the offense does not score a touchdown, they get four points.
If you got that down, you're in the wrong business. You should be in the accounting line of work.
But that's the way we'll do it. It's a pretty good way to have an offense play the defense and everybody gets some points. That's where we're at.
Quarterback, we have no idea right now who the quarterback will be. We started spring training with the idea that every time we practice we would rotate every two snaps. Whether or not that was a drill or whether or not that was a scrimmage or a situation, you know, third‑and‑six, red zone, whatever, the situation was totally we're rotating every two snaps.
In Saturday's work, we did that during our individual time. Then when we went and scrimmaged, we let the quarterback own his drive. If he started the drive, it was three‑and‑out, the next quarterback played the next series. If the quarterback went eight, nine, ten plays, he got to own his drive. That is probably the way we'll do it this Saturday.
Kirk and I have talked about it. He'll make a decision. But probably what we'll do is the quarterback will get to own his drive this Saturday. They'll both play with all the groups.
They've all done some really good things, but they have not separated themselves yet. I see things as encouraging by all three of them. So that part makes you happy. I wish one of them would go on and separate. So that's where we're at right now at that position.

Q. Anything stand out of the three of them?
COACH DAVIS: Well, you know, I've been asked a lot of times over the years, What do you look for when you get in a situation like this? It's not unusual. But, you know, we want guys that can make plays off schedule, when things break down, who can extend the play, who can make a play that's not exactly the way you draw it up. We want guys that will take care of the football. That will be part of the evaluation.
We want guys that make big plays. Well, those are things that we're talking to them on a daily basis. Here is what happened in yesterday's practice. Here are your mental mistakes. Here is your explosive plays. Here is this and that. There's a whole litany of things that they are aware of that we're trying to evaluate.

Q. You mentioned working with quarterbacks, having them own drives. How much does that account for the decision you make as a coaching staff as far as that separation is concerned?
COACH DAVIS: Well, a lot. Quarterback is busy taking his team from here to there. That will be a big part of it. But also taking care of the ball, getting us in the right plays, and creating explosive plays. That's been a big emphasis in evaluating those guys, if they've had an opportunity, did they create that play.

Q. Is that based on the fact that most of your plays were called from the perimeter, not necessarily down the field? Is it limitation of the personnel or the play calling?
COACH DAVIS: I'm sure part of it was limitation of play calling, especially from the cards and letters I got.
There's aspects of vertical in all plays. Sometimes it's just having a better focus on giving that guy an opportunity. The other thing is most explosive plays in the passing game come off play‑action because that's when you have a chance to freeze the secondary. Usually play‑action creates better protection. You can hold the ball longer. Guys can move down the field.
We've done a lot of things this spring where, you know, hard play‑action and the receiver has a vertical decision to make at 16, whether or not he goes deep, sits down, turns in or out. All of that takes time to do. We've also tried to be very cognizant of giving our guys some opportunity to push the ball down the field.

Q. Coming off last year, do you feel more pressure?
COACH DAVIS: I feel pressure every day of what I've done for 40 years. But we did sit down and evaluate obviously things that we felt we could do better, things we should do more of, less of, whatever. And I think we've got a pretty good mix going right now.

Q. Any chance you wouldn't have been back?
COACH DAVIS: You're asking the wrong guy that.

Q. How do you feel the team has understood the offense compared to last year? Have they grasped it better?
COACH DAVIS: I think we're much further along at this point. Obviously they've had a spring, a season, a spring. Some of the conceptual things that you're trying to do, they have a better grasp of, so they're getting to it quicker, playing faster. I feel like we're much closer to being on the same page snap after snap than we were last year.

Q. Do you have the personnel for the offense even after struggles last year?
COACH DAVIS: I think what you have to do is you have to take what talent is there and try to maximize that. So make sure that we're trying to get the ball to guys that can make plays.

Q. How would you say the additions of Coach Kennedy and Coach White to the staff has changed the dynamics here?
COACH DAVIS: Coach Kennedy is obvious. We spent seven years ago. He stepped in from just a philosophical standpoint, from a language standpoint. So he was able to hit the ground running. He brings great energy to his job and does a super job.
Coach White, he's got background both in what we were doing, background from the NFL. He's brought some great thoughts to us, is a very detail‑oriented coach. I think both guys have really joined in and been a big plus.

Q. The zone read last Sunday or two Sundays ago, how is that going to work with three drop‑back quarterbacks?
COACH DAVIS: Unless they run it. Unless they run it. You know, we have implemented a little bit of zone read. But it won't be a huge part. It's a part that is aggravating to the defense. Anything that's aggravating to Coach Parker has to be a good thing because that's not what they want.
Colt McCoy, he was a drop‑back guy, yet he could run three or four, five a game and create some explosive plays. Not only that, but create some assignment football by the defense.
Just the fact that you have some of that forces the defense to play more assignment football.

Q. In some ways is it easier, because you had James, he had been established, now you're starting from scratch, is that easier on your part?
COACH DAVIS: Well, it's different. I mean, obviously it's different because none of these guys have played. All these guys can make some plays with their feet, they can extend some plays and do some things.

Q. You mentioned explosive plays a couple times. That was missing a little bit last year, but had injuries. Where do you get that next year?
COACH DAVIS: Well, I think, again, I think play‑action is a great way to start explosive plays. For the things we mentioned a while ago, usually your protection is good. You have the ability to hold the ball. When you have the ability to hold the ball, receivers can force down the field and see what is happening.
So we're doing some things down the field where receivers are making decisions at 14 and 15 yards down the field, and you can't do that unless you can hold the ball. Typically that comes from play‑action pass. It gives you a chance to take advantage of what the defense did, how they rotated to stop the run.

Q. How do you feel you want to use that?
COACH DAVIS: Going to keep doing that. You know, I think we have a good group of tight ends. We've got tight ends that will allow us to put multiple tight ends on the field, maybe have two attached, but one of them could be deployed out wide. Again, you're creating some opportunities for the defense and the way they match personnel to try to create some advantages.
So the tight ends need to be a big part of what we're doing.

Q. How tough was last season for you personally?
COACH DAVIS: I mean, you know, it's part of it. We set out as soon as it was over and created a litany of things we wanted to look at and things that we did good, things that we did bad, and how to correct those things.
So hopefully we've addressed some of those things and we'll have a chance to get better.

Q. You mentioned second‑year experience. How much of an issue was that especially for the receivers last year?
COACH DAVIS: Anytime you do things post snap, you got to get reps and reps and reps, and you're depending on quarterbacks and receivers to be seeing the same things.
There's always going to be mistakes, receiver saw one thing. But the more you can eliminate those the more opportunities you have to be consistent and stay on the field. I think we're closer in that area, we're not who we want to be, but I think we're closer now than we were at any point last year.

Q. Quick feet and decision making, can those be?
COACH DAVIS: Decision making is always a part of the quarterback position. Then guys that can extend plays. Coach Walsh told me 15 years ago, I asked him about drafting quarterbacks, and he said 50% of the snaps in the NFL are not the way you draw them up. Somebody is sliding in the pocket, you're not on the rhythm that the play is designed. So the ability for a quarterback to extend the play, to make things happen off schedule is a huge part.

Q. (Question regarding James Vandenberg.)
COACH DAVIS: It's a combination. We've moved past that. James is an outstanding young man, brilliant. I think he'll get an opportunity to play at the next level.
But, you know, it's as much my fault as any player's.

Q. With that, he probably would have been a drafted player this weekend. Do you feel the change may have prevented him from reaching his full potential or did you help him maybe reach what he could have done?
COACH DAVIS: I'm sure I could have done a better job. I'm sure I could have done a better job with James. He is a better player than he played last year.

Q. With these three quarterbacks, do you see a two‑quarterback system?
COACH DAVIS: Probably not. Probably not. I mean, we may not know when the first game starts. We had a situation where we opened the season in '06, I think it was, we played two quarterbacks every three series for two weeks in a row, then we made a decision and went with Colt.
Some things you can't evaluate in practice, 'cause they're not going to get hit. So I just said extending plays is a part of it. The first time the pocket breaks down, we blow them dead, which you have to do. But maybe they would have got out of that situation. Maybe that would have became a first down and you stay on the field.
Some of those things you can't determine until you're playing live football. So hopefully we will. Hopefully by the mid part of camp in August we'll be able to make a decision. But if not, we'll see where it goes.

Q. Are you comfortable with that kind of rotation, the two quarterback thing, in a game?
COACH DAVIS: You know, I think everybody would rather have, This is the guy. I think we all would. But at the same time if that guy has not emerged, then you need to evaluate both of them in live work. We don't have exhibition games.
If that's the way it turns out that we have to do it, that's the way we'll do it.

Q. How close is this race?
COACH DAVIS: It's close enough that they're taking every two snaps for 13 practices. They haven't separated.
But I feel like they will. I feel like they will.

Q. Getting cards and letters from angry fans. What is your reaction? Can you share any of them?
COACH DAVIS: Yeah, I can.

Q. What have you thought of the running game so far?
COACH DAVIS: Some of them are from my parents. Sorry?

Q. The run game. How does it look this spring?
COACH DAVIS: We're committed to running the football. It's been nice to have two backs the whole spring. Mark and Damon have both made every practice. That gives you an opportunity to wear down the defense. It also gives you an opportunity, because of their abilities, to put the two of them in the game and maybe you're in two backs or maybe you're in one back.
Again, some defenses, everything they do is personnel driven to match properly. So if you put that personnel on the field, then you're in one back, they don't like that. It's not that they don't know how to match it, they do. But they may be asking a linebacker to play in space that they don't want him to play in.
Those are things that, you know, you can create some advantages hopefully offensively. But both of those guys have done a good job. Very pleased with where they're at right now.

Q. (No microphone.)
COACH DAVIS: Kevonte for sure is a guy that has played a bunch of ball. It was good to have him back Saturday. He's an experienced guy. He communicates well on the field.
If we played Saturday or if we played last Saturday, the three guys we would have started in that personnel group would have been Tevaun Smith, Kevonte Martin and Donald Shumpert.

Q. You guys are still waiting on five receivers. It seems like you saw some struggles a couple weeks ago. Do you feel you still haven't seen the whole picture of what you have at receiver yet?
COACH DAVIS: We've told the freshmen receivers that some of them are going to get an opportunity to come in and show what they can do. At the same time I would caution that they're freshmen, and freshmen are freshmen.
Maybe Tevaun last year was a guy that was mature for his age. He did get to play some. He's a much better player now because of it. So maybe one or two of those guys, hopefully, will be able to come in and offer some help.


No softballs here. Nice to finally see some questions we ALL have/had.
 
"Q. Is that based on the fact that most of your plays were called from the perimeter, not necessarily down the field? Is it limitation of the personnel or the play calling?
COACH DAVIS: I'm sure part of it was limitation of play calling, especially from the cards and letters I got.
There's aspects of vertical in all plays. Sometimes it's just having a better focus on giving that guy an opportunity. The other thing is most explosive plays in the passing game come off play‑action because that's when you have a chance to freeze the secondary. Usually play‑action creates better protection. You can hold the ball longer. Guys can move down the field. We've done a lot of things this spring where, you know, hard play‑action and the receiver has a vertical decision to make at 16, whether or not he goes deep, sits down, turns in or out. All of that takes time to do. We've also tried to be very cognizant of giving our guys some opportunity to push the ball down the field."


Hmm, what a fond idea that worked 80% of the time last year yet it seemed we only called for it about 3 times a game.
 
Q. What have you thought of the running game so far?
COACH DAVIS: Some of them are from my parents. Sorry?


Thiat doesn't sound promising.
 
Big red flag for me is the idea of receivers making decisions half way into a play fifteen yards down field. I know it is capable of being done but I think this is the cause for a lot of our confusion. We saw lots of receivers going one way last year and the ball going the other way. I know it allows us to adjust to the way the d is covering us but I wonder if we are better off with set routeswhere qb and receiver know where they need to be and we practice that day in and day out. If that's not open you go to the next receiver. I think this system may be great when it can be done but leaves lots of room for indecision. can it be done by us? Last year the answer was clearly no.
 
I agree...the advantage the offense has is it knows what routes they are running. Seems to lose this advantage when the qb doesn't know where the receivers are going.
 
Well I did not send any angry mail. I know what he is trying to do (it's not easy) and as I said if done correctly it works well. Or as he said it, it frustrates D's. If you can get some of those plays where the D goes wtf just happened, it tends to slow them down a bit and then they are playing in their heads and playing much slower. Biggest key is same page, play after play, if they can get that down and work on tempo, we are making progress.
 
Q. What have you thought of the running game so far?
COACH DAVIS: Some of them are from my parents. Sorry?


Thiat doesn't sound promising.

read it again...the "some of them are from my parents" is supposed to be for the previous question about getting cards from angry fans and he made a joke saying some are from his parents. the "sorry" was because he didn't hear the question about the running game.
 
I tell ya, my preference is to go with pre determined routes.

I tend to agree with this, for the most part.

But I also don't think it's really rocket science. There's a pre-snap read....where are the safeties at? Does it look like zone or man on the outside? How many are in the box? So if the safeties are back and there's only 7 in the box, then it's pretty easy to check to the run. If the strong safety is up and it looks like man on the outside, then you've got a good chance to go play action and down the field (hopefully outside guys can get separation)....etc, etc.

I just don't think Campbell did a good job with the receivers....look no further than the fact that he's out of a job. James obviously knew what he was doing...you don't throw for 3,000+ and 25 tds by being stupid. So as far as I'm concerned, most of that is on the receivers. Throw in the fact that we lost 2 of our 3 best linemen in one game and couldn't keep a running back healthy all year and we were left scrambling.....end result was losing last 6 games.

I think we'll know in the first couple of games whether or not we've got things down or not.
 
I tell ya, my preference is to go with pre determined routes.

Many plays still have those and most of the 14-15 yards down the field stuff he's talking about are micro adjustments, not macro ones. Adjusting a corner route to a sail route based on coverage/safety alignment is a good example. A sail route is just a flatter corner route and more or less is a 15y deep out. Another common one is converting a 9 route vs Cover 3(or any halo coverage for that matter) to a deep out/comeback.

There are a few major route changes, but the micro ones are far more common.
 
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I tend to agree with this, for the most part.

But I also don't think it's really rocket science. There's a pre-snap read....where are the safeties at? Does it look like zone or man on the outside? How many are in the box? So if the safeties are back and there's only 7 in the box, then it's pretty easy to check to the run. If the strong safety is up and it looks like man on the outside, then you've got a good chance to go play action and down the field (hopefully outside guys can get separation)....etc, etc.

I just don't think Campbell did a good job with the receivers....look no further than the fact that he's out of a job. James obviously knew what he was doing...you don't throw for 3,000+ and 25 tds by being stupid. So as far as I'm concerned, most of that is on the receivers. Throw in the fact that we lost 2 of our 3 best linemen in one game and couldn't keep a running back healthy all year and we were left scrambling.....end result was losing last 6 games.

I think we'll know in the first couple of games whether or not we've got things down or not.

I'm not willing to concede it was on the WRs and Coach Campbell. JVB's 3,000+ yrds and 25 TDs came under a different offensive system. All that shows is he understood and could execute the old system not that he knew what he was doing under Davis' system. (You could reverse argument and say the WR corps had over 3,000+ yrds and 25 in the previous year so last year's struggles were JVB's fault).

Additionally, your trying to tell me that out of 5-6 WRs NONE of them were able to picke up the system? The odds are more likely that JVB was the weaker link and not the other 5-6 guys.
 
In regards to Vandenberg's play last year there was one comment Greg Davis made that jumped out at me. When he was asked what one thing are you looking for when you say you want one of the QB's to separate themselves from the competition his answer was that they are looking for someone who can improvise when a play breaks down. I believe he quoted an NFL coach who said "50% of the plays called in this league don't go the way they were supposed to".

Now Davis shouldered a lot of the blame for the play we saw from Vandy last year, but one thing James absolutely did not do well at all was make plays when things broke down. He panicked. Often times he panicked wayyyy too quickly. He felt pressure that wasn't there and he constantly got rid of the ball to underneath routes. He made very few plays by improvising and even fewer by using his legs. I just found it interesting because Coach Davis said this is the one attribute they're looking for in the QB competition and Vandy was just plain horrible at it.
 
In regards to Vandenberg's play last year there was one comment Greg Davis made that jumped out at me. When he was asked what one thing are you looking for when you say you want one of the QB's to separate themselves from the competition his answer was that they are looking for someone who can improvise when a play breaks down. I believe he quoted an NFL coach who said "50% of the plays called in this league don't go the way they were supposed to".

Now Davis shouldered a lot of the blame for the play we saw from Vandy last year, but one thing James absolutely did not do well at all was make plays when things broke down. He panicked. Often times he panicked wayyyy too quickly. He felt pressure that wasn't there and he constantly got rid of the ball to underneath routes. He made very few plays by improvising and even fewer by using his legs. I just found it interesting because Coach Davis said this is the one attribute they're looking for in the QB competition and Vandy was just plain horrible at it.

I have to agree. What stands out to me is that he said all three new guys show the ability to extend plays. Furthermore, he flat out seems to think the QB and receivers are already (in spring) ahead of the QB-receivers from last year.

Here are selected quotes from his answers related to the QB spot to make it easier to dissect:

About new QBs versus JVB: Well, it's different. I mean, obviously it's different because none of these guys have played. All these guys can make some plays with their feet, they can extend some plays and do some things.

About QB-receivers being on same page: I think we're closer in that area, we're not who we want to be, but I think we're closer now than we were at any point last year.

About whether problems last year due to JVB or receivers: It's a combination. We've moved past that.
 
In regards to Vandenberg's play last year there was one comment Greg Davis made that jumped out at me. When he was asked what one thing are you looking for when you say you want one of the QB's to separate themselves from the competition his answer was that they are looking for someone who can improvise when a play breaks down. I believe he quoted an NFL coach who said "50% of the plays called in this league don't go the way they were supposed to".

Now Davis shouldered a lot of the blame for the play we saw from Vandy last year, but one thing James absolutely did not do well at all was make plays when things broke down. He panicked. Often times he panicked wayyyy too quickly. He felt pressure that wasn't there and he constantly got rid of the ball to underneath routes. He made very few plays by improvising and even fewer by using his legs. I just found it interesting because Coach Davis said this is the one attribute they're looking for in the QB competition and Vandy was just plain horrible at it.

If your assumption that Vandy couldn't improvise is true, then the blame is on Davis for two reasons.

1. It was Davis' system and Davis was the QB coach. We know from 2011-12 that JVB was a competent (i.e. able to learn a system) QB. If Davis couldn't teach his own player how to execute the system it wasn't due to a lack of intelligence by JVB.

If one still subscribes that it was an inability by JVB to pick-up the system, it only further strengthens the second reason the fault lies on Davis. Which is...

2. Not playing a back-up QB for a single snap. I understand there may have been eligibility reasons (red-shirts) for not playing a back-up, but if the problem was primarily JVB not being able to extend a play then it makes it even more baffling that we didn't see a back-up QB used.
 
If your assumption that Vandy couldn't improvise is true, then the blame is on Davis for two reasons.

1. It was Davis' system and Davis was the QB coach. We know from 2011-12 that JVB was a competent (i.e. able to learn a system) QB. If Davis couldn't teach his own player how to execute the system it wasn't due to a lack of intelligence by JVB.

If one still subscribes that it was an inability by JVB to pick-up the system, it only further strengthens the second reason the fault lies on Davis. Which is...

2. Not playing a back-up QB for a single snap. I understand there may have been eligibility reasons (red-shirts) for not playing a back-up, but if the problem was primarily JVB not being able to extend a play then it makes it even more baffling that we didn't see a back-up QB used.


This is exactly what I'm getting at... Davis made it clear that he likes a QB who has the ability to improvise. It really made me wonder why in the world we didn't see someone else rotate in. Perhaps KF being too stubborn?

I don't think he was taking a shot at James intentionally because he had nothing but good things to say about him. However, I do think there's something more to this comment. You watched the games last year right? Did you think James improvised well? I thought his ability to make plays when things broke down was atrocious. Some of that is on the receivers, RB's, and line of course. However, QB's have the ball in their hands on every play. They need to be able to improvise. In my opinion James got happy feet, became inaccurate, and simply looked terribly uncomfortable if the play didn't go as planned.
 
You watched the games last year right? Did you think James improvised well? I thought his ability to make plays when things broke down was atrocious. Some of that is on the receivers, RB's, and line of course. However, QB's have the ball in their hands on every play. They need to be able to improvise. In my opinion James got happy feet, became inaccurate, and simply looked terribly uncomfortable if the play didn't go as planned.

I think we are on the same page. There is no doubt JVB wasn't confident and looked lost last year. It isn't beyond the realm of possibility that KF was the reason JVB continued to play. KF & KOK didn't see eye to eye on Stanzi & Christensen. KOK was eventually able to convince KF to go with Stanzi, but it seemed to have taken a lot of convincing.
 

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