You do realize a large percentage of Iowa's alumni are from other states, Illinois mainly, so I ask you, who's the better fan: the one who has liked Iowa since they were young or the alumni who went to Iowa for 4 years and only liked them for that reason? I can't stand these people who come to Iowa and are all of a sudden huge fans, when they could have cared less for the first 18 or 19 years of their lives, mainly Chicago suburb types.
Graduation Rates of Bowl Bound Teams
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You do realize a large percentage of Iowa's alumni are from other states, Illinois mainly, so I ask you, who's the better fan: the one who has liked Iowa since they were young or the alumni who went to Iowa for 4 years and only liked them for that reason? I can't stand these people who come to Iowa and are all of a sudden huge fans, when they could have cared less for the first 18 or 19 years of their lives, mainly Chicago suburb types.
imported_UHawk
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"If you don't agree with me go join the SEC."
"If you don't agree with me go be a fan of someone else."
"If you criticize the U of I go be a fan of someone else."
You guys that do this on every thread are pathetic. Learn how to have a difference of opinion with a person and debate the topic. You prolly took your ball and went home as a kid too.
"If you don't agree with me go be a fan of someone else."
"If you criticize the U of I go be a fan of someone else."
You guys that do this on every thread are pathetic. Learn how to have a difference of opinion with a person and debate the topic. You prolly took your ball and went home as a kid too.
hawkfaninTX
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Coming in late to this thread, In my opinion, I think you both have it wrong.
I think that Ferentz recruits hard working, "football smart" players, with good values. Those skills just happen to translate into good grades, both in HS and College. If they are struggling before they even come onto campus- then coaches have a pretty strong feeling (based off of players they have seen in similar situations) that they will succeed at their studies.
It's not like we are recruiting Rhodes Scholars. But I will say this, I would imagine that the iowa players would all test out with a pretty good IQ. But again- because they are just more cerebral than other players on other universities war boards.
carry on....
I think that Ferentz recruits hard working, "football smart" players, with good values. Those skills just happen to translate into good grades, both in HS and College. If they are struggling before they even come onto campus- then coaches have a pretty strong feeling (based off of players they have seen in similar situations) that they will succeed at their studies.
It's not like we are recruiting Rhodes Scholars. But I will say this, I would imagine that the iowa players would all test out with a pretty good IQ. But again- because they are just more cerebral than other players on other universities war boards.
carry on....
Igothawked
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Does it really?
NewMexHawk
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An interesting statistic would be comparing all the 4* and 5* players to high school grades and then how many of those players drop out, either going to the pros or just dropping out because they did not pan out. Then compare those number to the schools who typically get those those kids and see what their graduation rate is.
Then it would be interesting to take all high school scores of both blacks and whites and compare those to how many graduate. Because black rates are so low, there probably are many marginally educated black kids who get football scholarships but in reality are not ready for college, regardless of the major they take.
If scores and grades are marginal but yet they get scholarships, perhaps making them sit out a year to get accustomed to college would be a good thing or an automatic red shirt. Many of the marginal students are being set up to fail simply because they are not ready for college academically. Then when they do go to college, most staffs will get those kids in the easiest major possible with as easy a workload as possible to keep the kid elgible. Even if the kid graduates, many of the majors are absolutely worthless as far as the student's future career is concerned.
Heck, even good students who want to take difficult majors are often told they will have to make a choice between their studies and playing football. The demands of a tough major interfere with playing football.
Then it would be interesting to take all high school scores of both blacks and whites and compare those to how many graduate. Because black rates are so low, there probably are many marginally educated black kids who get football scholarships but in reality are not ready for college, regardless of the major they take.
If scores and grades are marginal but yet they get scholarships, perhaps making them sit out a year to get accustomed to college would be a good thing or an automatic red shirt. Many of the marginal students are being set up to fail simply because they are not ready for college academically. Then when they do go to college, most staffs will get those kids in the easiest major possible with as easy a workload as possible to keep the kid elgible. Even if the kid graduates, many of the majors are absolutely worthless as far as the student's future career is concerned.
Heck, even good students who want to take difficult majors are often told they will have to make a choice between their studies and playing football. The demands of a tough major interfere with playing football.
olivecourt
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NewMexHawk, you're definitely correct as far as some school/programs are concerned. Graduation rates can be pretty easily raised if the entire university decides to give football players a pass--putting them in easy majors and then designing phony classes that they all take together. (There was a scandal about this 3-4 years ago but I can't remember the details).
Based on my experience teaching at the U of I (this is during the mid-2000s), none of these things occurred. I had plenty of athletes in my classes-- they were taking the same required courses as the rest of the students. I was never contacted/pressured by the athletic department other than that they wanted a grade update halfway through the semester. I think the fact that Marcus Coker is majoring in astrophysics tells you something about Iowa's football program and the idea that you can be great at football and a strong student. It's not the either/or decision that a lot of people on this thread are making it out to be.
AdamHawk
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This is a good point. An overwhelming majority of Kirk's recruits were captains of their high school teams. Obviously in order to be a captain of your team, you have to be a proven leader both on and off the field. I don't think it's a coincidence that they are both good athletes as well as students.
