Graduation Rates of Bowl Bound Teams

truehawk said:
Ok let me ask you guys this. If you had kids would it be more important that they get an A on their test or if they threw 3 touchdowns? The answer to this question directly reflects your character and your IQ.
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As a parent, I put more importance on the classroom than the field of play. However, there are certainly many individuals who can excel in both areas. Seems according to these stats, KF does a good job of recruiting just these types of kids.
I would think if you prefer winning at all costs.... become a fan of some SEC team. We all know that their motto is "if you ain't cheating you ain't trying".
 
uhawk is unreal....go be an SEC fan....do you know how many players get to the NFL??? not many, the majority end up just like the rest of us.
 
Not really unreal...I'm just a fan not a parent of an athlete. Would I want my kid to graduate...Yes. Do I lose sleep at night if the FB team's graduation rate is 35%....No.

You guys should go be NW fans if you get this excited about graduation rates.

If the coaches strive to have a high graduation rate...great. Good for them. As a fan...I want a winning team. Am I going to sacrifice baby kittens to do it?...No. But if they only recruit top notch students because they want to have a high graduation rate, good luck competing. It's a game of wins and losses.
 
Ok so if your kid was a great college player and went to Iowa but failed his classes and ended up with no nfl offers wouldn't you feel cheated that the college let him play ball for 4 years but didn't feel it necessary to educate him for life?
 
Graduation rates... would you rather, say, have a team like Kentucky with a bunch of one-and-dones that make multiple Final Fours, or a crappy basketball team that graduates everyone?
 
imported_UHawk said:
Not really unreal...I'm just a fan not a parent of an athlete. Would I want my kid to graduate...Yes. Do I lose sleep at night if the FB team's graduation rate is 35%....No.

You guys should go be NW fans if you get this excited about graduation rates.

If the coaches strive to have a high graduation rate...great. Good for them. As a fan...I want a winning team. Am I going to sacrifice baby kittens to do it?...No. But if they only recruit top notch students because they want to have a high graduation rate, good luck competing. It's a game of wins and losses.
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I can appreciate your point, but with one caveat.

You say you like a winning team. Fine. The University of Iowa is a university, and has a pretty good tradition of respecting NCAA rules and helping these young athletes get a good education (as noted above, very few ever get a shot at the NFL).

Soo... don't be angry when a school like Iowa follows the rules and doesn't win as much as tOSU or another school that cheats. You know what you're getting into. So, my suggestion is this:

If you only care about winning, it probably isn't in your best interest to be an Iowa fan, because Iowa is a lot more like Northwestern than it is Oklahoma, in terms of academics and compliance. You should probably be a fan of a team that cares only about winning. It seems like a better fit for you.

I suggest Alabama, LSU, and Auburn, for starters.
 
ISUcy08 said:
Graduation rates... would you rather, say, have a team like Kentucky with a bunch of one-and-dones that make multiple Final Fours, or a crappy basketball team that graduates everyone?
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I would never, ever root for Kentucky. What are you rooting for? A bunch of guys who show up for about three months and then head to the NBA. No connection to the team, the campus, the program's history, the fans, anything.

There are plenty of programs that graduate people and win. Iowa football is one of them. Stanford and Virginia Tech are others, and they're winning at a better clip than Iowa over the past couple of years. You're creating a false choice.
 
We have a good graduation rate is just another excuse for kool aid drinkers that thinks Iowa football program isn't on a downhill spiral
 
ISUcy08 said:
Graduation rates... would you rather, say, have a team like Kentucky with a bunch of one-and-dones that make multiple Final Fours, or a crappy basketball team that graduates everyone?
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I'll take Duke over Kentucky.
 
olivecourt said:
I would never, ever root for Kentucky. What are you rooting for? A bunch of guys who show up for about three months and then head to the NBA. No connection to the team, the campus, the program's history, the fans, anything.

There are plenty of programs that graduate people and win. Iowa football is one of them. Stanford and Virginia Tech are others, and they're winning at a better clip than Iowa over the past couple of years. You're creating a false choice.
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I agree with everything you said. Let's just not make a big stink about grad rates. Just saying graduated kids and not graduating kids (not the way I prefer for the reasons you mentioned) can both have their perks. Mostly in basketball.
 
truehawk said:
Ok let me ask you guys this. If you had kids would it be more important that they get an A on their test or if they threw 3 touchdowns? The answer to this question directly reflects your character and your IQ.
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That's completely different, the players aren't my kids so your hypothetical situation here falls flat. I'm sure their parents care how they're doing in the classroom as well as the football field, but it really does nothing for me what their GPA is.
 
The thing that gets me frustrated is when blanket statements like "everybody cheats," or "football players don't go to college to get an education," go unchallenged.

When I taught as a grad student at Iowa, the football players (some who play on Sundays now) were the best students in my class. (Alford's players? Not so much.) Now I teach in the South and I can't get football players in my classes, because the coaches only let them major in Physical Education - seriously.
 
CAARHawk said:
The thing that gets me frustrated is when blanket statements like "everybody cheats," or "football players don't go to college to get an education," go unchallenged.

When I taught as a grad student at Iowa, the football players (some who play on Sundays now) were the best students in my class. (Alford's players? Not so much.) Now I teach in the South and I can't get football players in my classes, because the coaches only let them major in Physical Education - seriously.
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Great points. I knew some football players when I went to Iowa, and they went to class and studied.

Your points about the South are interesting...
 
CptPuertoRico said:
Threads like this always show a huge divide between the alumni and the tavern fans.
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That is moronic...you don't know anything about anyone on here. You think alumni all think a like and stupid tavern hawks are bums?

I would hope if you have a piece of paper from the U of I you could think clearer than that.
 
CAARHawk said:
The thing that gets me frustrated is when blanket statements like "everybody cheats," or "football players don't go to college to get an education," go unchallenged.

When I taught as a grad student at Iowa, the football players (some who play on Sundays now) were the best students in my class. (Alford's players? Not so much.) Now I teach in the South and I can't get football players in my classes, because the coaches only let them major in Physical Education - seriously.
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Goes to show you what matters in the SEC. Makes you wonder which players from what conference are broke 3 years after they finish there career in the NFL....wouldn't be a correlation to that would there? You listen to some of the post game interviews of players and you can tell right away if he has been in a classroom or not.

The new motto for the SEC should be: SEC football , we churn out more dummies than the federal government.
 
Those who care about the academics of Iowa's sports teams, have fun at graduation ceremonies celebrating the players' diplomas. I'll be at Kinnick or Carver, more concerned with the score of the game.
 
The SEC is calling, go join them if winning is the only thing that matters to you. We will all be paying for them when they can't function in the real world outside of sports. Winning takes place outside of the sports arena as well
 
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