Golden Tate's nasty hit on Dallas LB Sean Lee

KirkNOTCharisma

KirkNOTCharisma

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What do you guy's think about it? I could be wrong but i don't think any flags were thrown either..
 
Close, looks like Tate's helmet hit Lee's chest first and for the most part but there was helmet to helmet contact with the top of Tate's helmet on Lee's facemask.

Had Lee been a WR and Tate a CB, that gets called more times than not.
 
JACKED UP!!
nothing illegal about that hit
did you know that a dallass defender rec'd an unnecessary roughness call on seattle QB russ wilson on that play, for (gently) pushing him out of bounds?
It was an amazing contrast.
 
Some idiot said:
The hit on Lee is an illegal blindside block. Lee is considered defenseless, which means you can't lower your head & hit in head/neck area.
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Tate hit Lee square between the 5 and 0 on his shirt. How in the hell can that be considered his blindside?
 
So if you are a RB you should just run around with your eyes closed and nobody will be able to legally hit you bince you don't see them first.
 
I think Mr. Lee should be grateful that Tate hit him where he did.. Any lower and he woulda been smacked right in the gut which I guarantee woulda hurt a whole lot more than the chest which is covered by his pads
 
at first look, to me it looked like he hit him right on the chin. second, third, fourth, etc look and it was clean. very surprised there wasn't a flag though. if i was a ref i would have thrown the flag, then realized on replay that it was clean. guess that's why i'm not a ref.
 
Solid -- if he would come to Iowa he would have learned how to look out for those ... oh well que sera sera
 
GhostofBTT said:
Tate hit Lee square between the 5 and 0 on his shirt. How in the hell can that be considered his blindside?
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Agreed. Here's how a rules-geek commenter saw it:

The play starts with the ball being snapped and Wilson dropping back to pass. If you are watching Tate, he looks open and is signaling for the ball, but Lee is in the zone and is behind Tate in coverage. Tate slips a little, recovers and is running toward the same sideline as Wilson, still trying to make a play to catch the ball. During this entire time, he is *in front of* Lee. Still in front of Lee, Tate's role changes as soon as Wilson crosses the line of scrimmage, with Tate now becoming a blocker, rather than a receiver. He does a little loop and plants his shoulder and head square on Lee's number 50. There is no launch since his feet are on the ground at the time of the hit.

The NFL rulebook states regarding unnecessary roughness penalties:

Rule 12-2-8 (j) "if a player illegally launches into a defenseless opponent. It is an illegal launch if a player (1) leaves both feet prior to contact to spring forward and upward into his opponent, and (2) uses any part of his helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/”hairline” parts) to initiate forcible contact against any part of his opponent’s body. "

Rule 12-2-9 "It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture. (a) Players in a defenseless posture are: (8) A player who receives a “blindside” block when the blocker is moving toward his own endline and approaches the opponent from behind or from the side.

Rule 12-2-9 (b) "Prohibited contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture is: (1) Forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him; and (2) Lowering the head and making forcible contact with the top/crown or forehead/”hairline” parts of the helmet against any part of the defenseless player’s body."

These rules are clear. First, Lee is not a defenseless player. In order to be a defensless player, he must receive a "blindside" block, which is defined as "When the blocker is moving toward his own endline (this could be interpreted as being so) and approaches the opponent from behind or from the side (this is not possible, since Tate was in front of Lee for the entire play)"

Just because Lee was not paying attention to the injury prone, smallish wide receiver running in front of him, does not mean it was a "blindside" block, since, by rule, a "blindside" block must come from behind or from the side. Therefore, by rule, Lee was not a defenseless player, and the conditions in the rest of 12-2-8,9 do not apply.

Even if 12-2-8 and 12-2-9 did apply, the wording of the rules is that it has to be forcible contact with the crown or "hairline" of the helmet or forcible contact to the head and neck area. If you look at the various replays, Tate clearly leads with his shoulder first, then head, which is legal, according to Rule 12-1-3 "An offensive player is permitted to block an opponent by contacting him with his head, shoulders, hands, and/or outer surface of the forearm, or with any other part of his body." Because of the general upward motion of the block (Tate is 5'10", 202 and Lee is 6'2", 245), when Tate hits Lee in the chest, the motion carries him upward. Lee's head snaps forward, making contact with Tate's helmet, then snaps backward. Anyone who has seen a crash test dummy video knows this is what happens when you run into something. These are simply the laws of physics in action. To me, any helmet to helmet contact here appears incidental.
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Another view of the play - no way is Lee "defenseless": Golden Tate's block of Sean Lee is nasty, no flag thrown - CBSSports.com

It could still be illegal if Tate led with the helmet. But it sure looks like Tate led with his left shoulder, then Lee's chin snapped into Tate's helmet upon contact, as the commenter states. See photo at Jerry Jones expects Golden Tate to get fined - Dallas Cowboys Blog - ESPN Dallas

Love how physically the Seahawks played. And Wilson is settling in at QB. The town is buzzing. May have to start watching them again.
 
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