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If you want actual expectations in wins and losses I don't think that saying you expect to go 5-3 in conference every year is asking too much. Most years that gets us 9-3, some years 8-4. That's where we should be.
 


BSpringsteen said:
My expectations roughly:

To go into conference play at no worse than 3-1 every year.

To go into the last week of the season being in a position that a win gets you a the division championship. NOT TO WIN IT EVERY YEAR, just to go into the last game of the season with that being on the line.

Whatever record that amounts to is fine with me, and if it turns out that we go 7-5 (4-4) this year and that we are playing for Indianapolis when we are in Lincoln, than it is a successful season in my books.
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Ok. So we were 3-1 coming into conference play and still have an adequate shot at meeting your other goal. What is the problem then?

Also- What were your expectations prior to this year since this is the first year with divisions? Edit- Nevermind, I just saw your above post.
 
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Section136 said:
Ok. So we were 3-1 coming into conference play and still have an adequate shot at meeting your other goal. What is the problem then?

Also- What were your expectations prior to this year since this is the first year with divisions? Edit- Nevermind, I just saw your above post.
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My expectation going into every year is 9-3. It is to go into conference play 4-0 and then finish above .500 in conference.

I realize games need to be played, and that sometimes we lose out of conference, which is why I say the expectation is 8-4 (5-3) every year.
 


I guess the thing that irritates me the most on here is people that overreact to one game. Judge the coaching staff by the entire season and not a single game. We still have a shot at going 8-4 or 9-3 and I would just let the season play out before anybody jumps off a cliff.
 






ICHawk24 said:
They count. It'd be nice if the chicken littles would at least be honest.
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Bowl wins should definitely count. You're up against a good team in those games (usually). KF, I think, is 6-3 in bowls, isn't he? He's also beaten SEC teams (Fl, LSU, the Cocks).

Heck, even in the "lesser" bowl last year, Iowa beat a really talented Mizzou team (Gabbert is not exactly playing in the arena league right now).

Don't get me wrong, I get really disappointed at times. I was at all of the losses last year (including Tucson, Evanston, and Minneapolis). From over a hundred degrees to 25 degrees. Bad. Blech!

Having said that, KF finds a way to get it done most of the time. Stay the course.

Go hawks. Beat NW.
 


Jamie Pollard did the exact same thing. A 7-5 average at Iowa is good enough for me. I'd like to see better than that, but not if the risk could mean 2, 3, or even 4 years of not playing in bowl games.

The chance of hiring a coach to replace Ferentz and having that coach outperform what Ferentz has done at Iowa over the last 12 years is probably less than 10%.

Our "lesser bowl" win last year against a top 20 Missouri would be considered a huge success for at least 50% of BCS teams. We've been spoiled.
 
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TN3308, you don't get it and you never will. You wear me out.

Iowa is not underachieving under Ferentz, THEY ARE OVERACHIEVING.

Iowa City is a backwater, nothing town. We are not a great academic institution. We live in a sparsely populated state and have to share it with Iowa State. We are in the snow belt. We have no recruiting base.There is no ocean; no big city; very little tradition; nothing.

And yet we win. A lot. In fact, he is averaging over 8 wins per year over THE PAST 10 YEARS. He has taken us to 9 bowl games and 6 bowl wins, 2 Big Ten titles and two ORANGE BOWLS!!!

THERE IS NO BETTER COACH OUT THERE. IT IS NOT HAPPENING. Cherish what you have and help them get better by buying season tickets and donating to the program.
 


ChosenChildren said:
TN3308, you don't get it and you never will. You wear me out.

Iowa is not underachieving under Ferentz, THEY ARE OVERACHIEVING.

Iowa City is a backwater, nothing town. We are not a great academic institution. We live in a sparsely populated state and have to share it with Iowa State. We are in the snow belt. We have no recruiting base.There is no ocean; no big city; very little tradition; nothing.

And yet we win. A lot. In fact, he is averaging over 8 wins per year over THE PAST 10 YEARS. He has taken us to 9 bowl games and 6 bowl wins, 2 Big Ten titles and two ORANGE BOWLS!!!

THERE IS NO BETTER COACH OUT THERE. IT IS NOT HAPPENING. Cherish what you have and help them get better by buying season tickets and donating to the program.
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Nice post...this oughta be good.
 








BSpringsteen said:
I don't count bowl games.
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You don't count bowl games, but your "expectations" are to play for a division championship? Um, there hasn't even BEEN a division championsip until this year. Any other arbitraty "qualifiers"?

To be fair, I agree that some of what we see on the field is maddening. But look at the broadcast sets. There isn't a broadcaster, color analyst or talking head (not "writing" head, where the guy/gal rarely has to see KF face-to-face after an attack) who doesn't place KF as one of the better coaches in the B1G.

Sorry, but for a coach of a team in a very small state, I'd say KF does just fine. Tweaking the staff is a double-edged sword. Do it enough, and you'll soon see erosion in quality of assistants, because the better assistants won't go to a school with high staff turnover. On the other hand, to keep repeating the same mistakes is equally problematic.

KF inherited a cupboard in much worse shape than his predecessor did. Yet, his inaugural 1-10 team members were glowing with praise of things to come. For the most part, they were right. But we are never in a position to lose players to attrition, injury, or getting booted without it having a more significant impact than it does at huge state schools and high-population areas. And when an Adrian Arrington or Christian French chooses to go out-of-state, it's huge. Yet, how many Florida, Texas, California or Ohio kids have we EVER gotten who truly made recruiting "experts" say we trumped everyone else? 2005 may have been close, but between JCs bullet-throws, Dace and Doering and Moeaki spending as much time in the injury ward as on the field, and defections and loss of careers to guys who could never reach the field, that class can't honestly be seen as a "great" class.

Disappointing as last year was, it's also pretty easy to see where things went wrong, ditto 2005. 2006? 2007? Good lord, where would one start?

Be careful what you wish for. A KF-led PSU would not go 2-8 against Iowa. And a "dumped" KF would be able to start fresh, staff-wise, anywhere he goes, with arguably better connections to get the staff many fans "want".
 
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BSpringsteen said:
If you want actual expectations in wins and losses I don't think that saying you expect to go 5-3 in conference every year is asking too much. Most years that gets us 9-3, some years 8-4. That's where we should be.
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Of course the ironic thing is over the last 10 years KF's B10 record is exactly 50-30.
 




ChosenChildren said:
TN3308, you don't get it and you never will. You wear me out.

Iowa is not underachieving under Ferentz, THEY ARE OVERACHIEVING.

Iowa City is a backwater, nothing town. We are not a great academic institution. We live in a sparsely populated state and have to share it with Iowa State. We are in the snow belt. We have no recruiting base.There is no ocean; no big city; very little tradition; nothing.

And yet we win. A lot. In fact, he is averaging over 8 wins per year over THE PAST 10 YEARS. He has taken us to 9 bowl games and 6 bowl wins, 2 Big Ten titles and two ORANGE BOWLS!!!

THERE IS NO BETTER COACH OUT THERE. IT IS NOT HAPPENING. Cherish what you have and help them get better by buying season tickets and donating to the program.
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1. I have not once said we should fire Ferentz. I've said several times that we shouldn't.

2. I just despise the "we can't do better, the program will fall apart without him" argument.

Seriously, how many of you felt that we couldn't do better than Fry? Yet here we are, 13 years later, with half the board saying Ferentz has done more than Hayden. Ferentz was practically an unknown, while Bob Stoops was on the market. Somehow, I don't imagine people thinking that Ferentz should have been the top priority.

It can definitely happen, Barta finding a coach who could do better. I'm not saying he would or wouldn't, just that it's certainly within reason to believe it could happen.

Again, I'm not advocating canning Ferentz. I just hate that particular argument being used to defend him.
 




Here is the deal. I wouldn't necessarily mind seeing KF leave if it meant getting a national elite coach in here. By national elite I'm talking Urban Meyer, Bob Stoops, and of course Biels.

The problem is selling Iowa to these guys when we've just run KF out of town after the bets 10 year run in the history of modern Iowa football. Why would these guys even consider taking the Iowa job if that were the case. They would be foolish to do so, because they'd think (and rightly so) "I could come in here and do better than the guy in there now and I'd still be fired". Why would you leave the comfort of a national elite program like Oklahoma, or the comfort of the broadcast booth for a situation like that?

If you think for one second that Stoops or Biels would make that switch just because they have Iowa ties you are a crazy damn fool.

That being the case we'd have to hire the next hot thing or an up and comer, and the likely hood of that person doing better than KF is so remote it isn't worth taking that chance. It's not a "chicken little" attitude. It's ******* reality.
 


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