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Justin VanLaere
Again, I'm not saying Gatens is a Haluska type player, I'm saying he's a third option type of player on a good team. That's why I used the Haluska comparison.
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Justin VanLaere
You might see it that way, but some people close to the program don't... and neither do some of the fans.
SirJamaLot
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If Matt played for Ohio State or Purdue he would be just fine and he would get a lot more wide open looks, The Hawks need him to do more than he is capable of, Korver has made a lot of money playing for the right team and providing them with an outside shooting presence, It would not surprise me if Matt led the Big 10 in 3 point shooting % next year especially if Fran can find one more inside scorer to go with Baasbe.
311hawk
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Fran has given him ample opprotunities all year to really step up and be a difference maker at the end of games. Well, he has been a difference make, but not the way most hawk fans want.
I like the kid and he has a good all-around game. The problem is if your main strength is shooting, and you are getting open looks at the end of close / overtime games, at some point you have to knock some of them down. Which this leads me back to my thoughts about the lick era teams / players. Not mentally tough.
I like the kid and he has a good all-around game. The problem is if your main strength is shooting, and you are getting open looks at the end of close / overtime games, at some point you have to knock some of them down. Which this leads me back to my thoughts about the lick era teams / players. Not mentally tough.
Here's what we know about Matt-
When the team really needs a bucket he'll shoot it; he just won't make it.
When he drives to the hoop he'll scrunch up body and double clutch the ball leading to
A) a charging call
B) getting his shot blocked with little effort from the defender.
If he steps to the line shootin 2 he's money
If he steps to the line shootin a 1-and-1 it's a 50/50 proposition.
What he should be is a taller version of Kent Macausland.
What he's trying to be or is asked to be is our primary shooter -and- scorer. It ain't working for him or us. The Dude's got a decent stroke. He needs to learn to be more efficient. In other words, less of Matt would probably lead to more from Matt.
When the team really needs a bucket he'll shoot it; he just won't make it.
When he drives to the hoop he'll scrunch up body and double clutch the ball leading to
A) a charging call
B) getting his shot blocked with little effort from the defender.
If he steps to the line shootin 2 he's money
If he steps to the line shootin a 1-and-1 it's a 50/50 proposition.
What he should be is a taller version of Kent Macausland.
What he's trying to be or is asked to be is our primary shooter -and- scorer. It ain't working for him or us. The Dude's got a decent stroke. He needs to learn to be more efficient. In other words, less of Matt would probably lead to more from Matt.
JonDMiller
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There is no doubt he should not be a #1 option...a 2 or 3, yes
You and Jon should sit down and compare diseases. He had a severe case of Jakeitis. You appear to have Tuckerosis pretty bad. For Jon and his Jakeitis it took 6 months or better of being quarantined before he started losing some of the symptoms. From my vantage point Tuckerosis looks to be harder to rid from the body.
hawkeye12345
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We need an offensive minded wing too. A PG that can penetrate, a wing that can penetrate and a C or legit PF with offensive skills would then setup nicely a kickout situation where a shooter could knock them down from the outside.
masoncityhawkeye
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Does anyone else notice that Matt NEVER follows his shot? I bet he could get 4 or 5 more Rebs a game if he just followed his misses.
I was tought that in like 3rd grade yet he never does it.
I appreciate what Matt has done for us in these horrible days of Hawkeye basketball but somebody needs to tell him to follow his shot it drives me crazy.
I was tought that in like 3rd grade yet he never does it.
I appreciate what Matt has done for us in these horrible days of Hawkeye basketball but somebody needs to tell him to follow his shot it drives me crazy.
Is he the number 1 option? If so is this by team/coaches design? Bigger question - Would Matt be OK with a lesser role? There's no doubt Matt shouldn't be any more than a 3rd choice, but he's always been more.
tweeterhawk
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If you had played in later years you probably would have learned that unless you're really tall, the coach wanted you to let the big guys grab the boards while you got back on defense so you can try to stop or slow down the break. My guess is that's what Fran is having Matt do.
It's one thing to teach a 3rd grader to do that; they're 3 feet from the hoop. You don't want your wing players doing that on outside shots. You want your shooters to concentrate on making the shot and following THROUGH on the shot, not following the shot. You want them prepared for long rebounds of course as the ball may come to them or they can lead to a fast break the other way.
My experience is that asking shooters to worrying about rebounding leads to a lower shooting percentage. Matt can't afford any % off his shooting.
I think Matt is slumping a bit from the arc. I have been very surprised at some of the wide open shots from the arc that he has missed over recent weeks. I actually think the slump has leaked a bit into his free throw shooting as he has missed 4 free throws in the games vs Minny and Michigan. I know we cannot expect perfection at the line but it always surprises me when he misses.
If he stays healthy, I am counting on Matt to shoot over 40% from the arc next year..and maybe over 50%. Who you play with is very important to shooters...last year Hoffarber shot over 50% from the arc,with Joseph and Nolen setting him up...this year, he is not close to that number with no one to set him up.
If he stays healthy, I am counting on Matt to shoot over 40% from the arc next year..and maybe over 50%. Who you play with is very important to shooters...last year Hoffarber shot over 50% from the arc,with Joseph and Nolen setting him up...this year, he is not close to that number with no one to set him up.
Firehawk11
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Are we sure he does not have anyone to set him up, or is it he does not move well without the ball for a point guard or big to get him the ball? We will see more open shots for Matt next year when teams have to pay more attention to us inside. Which, I think they will. Matt is a good player he will be just fine. Alot of pressure on the kid, he is playing a lot of minutes out there. I agree he has some glaring weaknesses. He has glaring strengths too. Everyone's first year in system. And, Matt did not jump ship, he is a hawkeye and I am glad we have him.
PatrickAdamovicz
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Again, I don't think people are down on Matt for his limitations or the like but people are pointing out that he has missed a lot of wide open looks when the game is on the line or in tight situations. There have been many of them. This teams best option is Basabe then Cartwright and it's not even close. Matt is by default the 3rd option. In reality he should by your 4th option. Good player, just not clutch.
Hawkeye11en1
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Dead horse is dead. Stop beating it. Just stop.
You're saying Matt's a dead horse? That's a mean thing to say. I think your a dead cow. So there. Nanny nanny poo poo.
EddyP
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Gatens makes the 3 at the end of regulation against Michigan and he is the man, he didn't so he sucks. I get it and I agree for the most part. You gotta do what you do best. Hit the open 3 and make your free throws. Yeah, he played great D in that game but it wasn't enough. McCabe, you too. If you aren't hitting the open 3, you don't belong on the damn court. We are all frustrated, but geez earn your damn scholarship. Rant over.
hawkeye12345
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iowamike21
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And IF Gatens were quick, fast and could jump, if he were black and 6-10 / 275 and could shoot the lights out from dunks to 30 feet he'd be...well, maybe even you Cub fans get it... But just in case...IF...ya know...it's a big word.
