Oh yeah, that's right Kirk, it's the last two weeks that fans are upset about. Talk about out of touch. I'm sure all the fans are mad about losing to BETTER teams than us the last two weeks while we just lap up the losses to ISU, Maryland, Indiana, Ball State (don't try telling me that was a win). Sure thing coach. And next year when we lose to NE and WI we'll all be very mad about that and just perfectly fine w/ having lost to ISU again, W. Mich, Hellen Keller U...
Gary Uses Unacceptable to Describe 7-5....
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Oh yeah, that's right Kirk, it's the last two weeks that fans are upset about. Talk about out of touch. I'm sure all the fans are mad about losing to BETTER teams than us the last two weeks while we just lap up the losses to ISU, Maryland, Indiana, Ball State (don't try telling me that was a win). Sure thing coach. And next year when we lose to NE and WI we'll all be very mad about that and just perfectly fine w/ having lost to ISU again, W. Mich, Hellen Keller U...
GoHawks24
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Totally unreasonable to expect any more than 7 wins. We're just lil ol' Iowa, folks. It's our demographics that put us at a disadvantage, not our coach at all..... and we play in the vaunted B10 West division for cripes' sake!
GoHawks24
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ICHawk24
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Jon, great to see you slither out from under your rock to troll your own message board. Kudos.
seepig
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Kirk says he's always understood that if you don't win enough someone is going to show you the door. But when someone owes you like 12M if they let you go....I don't see much stress coming from Kirk. If Barta lets him go Barta shows how totally idiotic it was to sign him to a contract until 2020 and he admits he should lose his job. And if Barta gives KF his walking papers he rides off into the sunset without having to work another day for that jackpot. I'd keep him around and make him work for some of that....if it get's really bad like back to back losing seasons you can always punt him and he knows it.
jacknicholson
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We had to memorize a large part of the Canterbury Tales at Dowling.....
The introduction:
Whan that Aprill with his shoures soote
The droghte of March hath perced to the roote . .
We had to stand in front of the class and recite the thing pronounced correctly.....
The fun we had it high school can't be matched.....
HawkeyeWalker
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I am starting to believe that 7-5 or worse next year....the end may be nigh sooner rather than later for KF.....
but who knows.
but who knows.
If the team finishes 7-5 or worse with this same easy schedule and a 3rd year starting QB, 2015 has to be his last year.
Then in 2016, we go to 9 conference games, and trade Indiana and Maryland for Rutgers, Michigan and Penn State in the East.
Penn State and Michigan will be much better. I saw the work that James Franklin did at Vanderbilt, and look at Vanderbilt now.
Then in 2016, we go to 9 conference games, and trade Indiana and Maryland for Rutgers, Michigan and Penn State in the East.
Penn State and Michigan will be much better. I saw the work that James Franklin did at Vanderbilt, and look at Vanderbilt now.
WinOneThisCentury
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I'm afraid he's talking about the team patting themselves on the back for a 7-5 season...and the awards and "good feeling" about going bowling. I hope that's not the case, but I think it is. If he's shoveling the three plays away from 9-3 crap, well, he needs to go now...and I hope the players don't buy that non-sense. You know why 10-2 teams are typically 10-2...because they were more than three plays better than the other team to the point an officials call doesn't matter.
My person feeling is that 2014 is the most hallow 7-5 record in the history of the Iowa Football. Losing to a 2-10 Iowa State team, a 45 point thrashing from the Goofs, and losing two games at home to decide who got to get leveled by Ohio State.
lightning1
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It depends on the schedule. 7-5 when none of the 7 wins are against teams with a winning record.......not so much. With this schedule + 16th year on the job = 9 or 10 wins required.
DesMoinesHawki
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We can all be assured Kirk took Gary aside and told him what's okay and what's not okay to say at press conferences... "Sorry Kirk..." says Gary...
I can understand people being upset with the mediocre performance of Iowa FB over the past 5 years (and over most of the past 10 years), but people who believe they care more about the success of Iowa FB than a coach whose primary job is to shepherd that program are delusional. None of this is to say Coach Ferentz has done a great job recently, but rather that your musings about his motivations and intentions come off as lunatic ravings.
Everyone wants their pound of flesh from the head coach. They want him to stand up and scream, "I am an awful coach, this was an awful team, and I have a small penis," as if that would make anything better.
Whether people on this board want to admit it or not, these players and this staff have put forth more effort and dedication to try to make this a successful season than most of us have put towards any goal in our lives. After just spending time reflecting on the great efforts of the young men on his team, I can understand his reluctance to say to the media that the team performance was unacceptable. At a macro-level he knows that the recent history of Iowa FB, the amount of experience on the team, and the soft schedule should have produced greater results. But I am sure he cares about his players and fellow coaches, which is why he prefers to say they were all disappointed, as opposed to saying the result was unacceptable (big difference in connotation). If you had a brother, son, or friend on this team, would you want to tell them that they just produced an unacceptable season?
And ultimately it is not the head coach's job to evaluate whether a season is acceptable. That is the AD's job, and he has already spoken his piece. The head coach focuses more micro-level, specifically figuring out what is necessary to make this team better tomorrow than they are today. You are entitled to your opinion of whether or not he can figure out how to make this team substantially better over the coming years (things are not really looking promising on that front right now), but to get bent out of shape because he is not willing to call his season "unacceptable" just seems like a waste of energy.
Everyone wants their pound of flesh from the head coach. They want him to stand up and scream, "I am an awful coach, this was an awful team, and I have a small penis," as if that would make anything better.
Whether people on this board want to admit it or not, these players and this staff have put forth more effort and dedication to try to make this a successful season than most of us have put towards any goal in our lives. After just spending time reflecting on the great efforts of the young men on his team, I can understand his reluctance to say to the media that the team performance was unacceptable. At a macro-level he knows that the recent history of Iowa FB, the amount of experience on the team, and the soft schedule should have produced greater results. But I am sure he cares about his players and fellow coaches, which is why he prefers to say they were all disappointed, as opposed to saying the result was unacceptable (big difference in connotation). If you had a brother, son, or friend on this team, would you want to tell them that they just produced an unacceptable season?
And ultimately it is not the head coach's job to evaluate whether a season is acceptable. That is the AD's job, and he has already spoken his piece. The head coach focuses more micro-level, specifically figuring out what is necessary to make this team better tomorrow than they are today. You are entitled to your opinion of whether or not he can figure out how to make this team substantially better over the coming years (things are not really looking promising on that front right now), but to get bent out of shape because he is not willing to call his season "unacceptable" just seems like a waste of energy.
blubberhawk
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#1. You have no idea what any others on this board have put forth as far as effort and dedication in their careers, athletics, etc.
#2. I would assume that most of the critics of Ferentz on this board make far less than 4 million a year for their efforts.
#3. Ferentz may or may not be as dedicated as you seem to think. I believe he shows a level of indifference towards many things, including the fans of Iowa Football.
#4. The team's performance was not unacceptable to me. They can't help the fact they are being coached by a guy who can't read a scoreboard clock, defend a fake punt, or recruit. Ferentz's performance was totally unacceptable.
hawkeyebob62
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Best post on this board in a LONG time.
hawkeyebob62
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I'm seeing that creep-up-salary-class-envy thing. Get the aggression out, sport, go straight to Ferguson and get that aggression out...
blubberhawk
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Not at all.
I make a very nice living. I would applaud the 4 million dollar salary if we were competing for BIG titles, etc. Instead we are losing to really bad football teams on a regular basis and not close to competing for titles. Ferentz should be fired for his record against ISU, alone. We would have a better record against ISU if we had NO COACH on the sidelines. I would be curious of how many teams that ISU has a winning record against. I would bet not many, and Iowa happens to be one of them with Ferentz at the helm. Other programs shelling out that kind of money, expect results. Not Iowa. Iowa seems to be very accepting of losing as evidenced by the sorry state of athletics in general at the U of I.
I do not blame the players. The buck stops at the top.
DesMoinesHawki
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#1 --> That is a fair point. I have seen the level of dedication that student-athletes (not just FB players put in), and it far exceeds what most (not all) undergrads go through. I also know something about the typical schedule of a D-I FB coach, and I feel confident in saying that the hours and stress far exceed what most (not all) people go through in their careers. I think my statement is true, but I do not know that for sure, you are right.
#4 --> I get that the performance was unacceptable to you, to many other fans, and to the AD. But that still does not mean anything is gained by Coach Ferentz stating that in public. Any comment he makes regarding the team will reflect back on the players, which is probably why he chose not to use a rather inflammatory word like "unacceptable."
He could have said, "You know what guys, this is all on me. The players were great, but I screwed them over with my incompetence." Perhaps that would make people happy, but I cannot imagine anyone with any dose of ego making that statement, let alone someone with the ego necessary to coach at this level. Furthermore, unless he was planning on resigning immediately after making that statement, that type of statement would certainly do some level of damage to the program. Is that worth your pound of flesh?
blubberhawk
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You missed my point. I could give a damn whether he admits his performance was unacceptable. His performance speaks for itself. He should be gone.
Hard to take you serious when you talk about making 4 million and having a lot of stress..
Coach Ferentz's refusal to label his season as unacceptable is the underlying point of this entire thread and of my original post. I guess I did not realize you had gone in a different direction and were simply critiquing his results, an area I had not commented upon above. My bad.
You don't think people with high-paying jobs have a lot of stress? I think most would argue that the highest paying jobs have the most stress. The compensation usually makes the stress worthwhile, but it does not make it disappear. I am not saying we should start a support group for him or anything, but I think it is reasonable to assume that he works very hard and deals with more stress than most of us. I have never had tens of thousands of people critiquing my live job performance before.
