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Ickehawk

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Rewatched the game again tonite play by play (and frame by frame in some cases) because of comments made about the O-line, Bowers, Mabin, etc... being so bad. I didn't see it that way, so I double checked to see if I was right.

O-Line- I do not know what some of you are talking about when it came to pass blocking by the O-line. They were very good. Nobody came close to touching CJ in the 1st half except on the play he took a big shot and fumbled and that was not because an O-Lineman got 'beat'. The D-line shifted left and CJ changed the play at the line. Boettger thinks he has the 3 tech who has just widened and points and tells Welsh to take the LB who is showing blitz, so he obviously thinks Kittle is staying to block the DE or at least is chipping him since it is a 'quick' out, but Kittle doesn't even touch the DE and he does a quick out. CJ takes a 2 step drop and stares down Pekar running a quick out but they have him bracketed. My guess would be Kittle missed the 'audible' CJ called out pre-snap. The line was rock solid the 1st half and I still believe CJ was told not to run, because there was 2 third downs in the 1st half where he had ALL day and could've took off to his left and 'made a play', but chose to just check down with 3 yd. throws that didn't pick up 1st downs.

In the second half, CJ took 2 'hits'. One was Wadley whiffing on a blitz (not the lines fault) and the other was not a lineman getting beat, but Boettger slow to pass off the DE stunting inside. Let me elaborate. The left DE stunted to the B gap and Miami blitzed 2 off the left edge. The RB picked up the outside blitzer but Boettger was slow in passing off the DE to Welsh, so by the time he whirled for the inside blitzer, the blitzer was by him causing CJ to make a poor throw to McCarron in the end zone. So in summary, I don't know what some of you are talking about when you say how bad our lines pass blocking was since CJ never got touched outside those 3 plays, and no O-linemen got 'beat'.

People were attacking Bowers and when I watched the game live, I only remembered 1 play where he was out of position and looked 'bad'. Some of you respect this 'Iowagamefilm' guy, but after somebody posted a tweet of his from the 3rd quarter that said 'Bowers looked bad and was not having a good game so far', I'm not sure I respect his 'insight', because he was WRONG. Bowers played as well as anyone on defense, like I thought. He was good in coverage, solid in tackling, and was NEVER out of position except one play in the second half (resulting in a 9 yd. gain) where they either sent him on an A gap blitz or he made a really bad read. At the end of the play he turns to someone off frame and shrugs his arms at him, like someone 'blew' something. He broke almost at the snap of the ball, so it looked like a blitz. He played well, but Hockaday and our DT's, not so much. Hockaday was much 'slower' on his reads and stepping up than Jewell. He will get better and he needs to put on another 10 lbs. I thought our DT's were as about as slow getting off blocks as I have ever seen them. We didn't give up 'big' runs, but they were getting too many 3-5 yd. runs.

You guys need to lighten up on Mabin. He didn't play 'great', but he wasn't as bad as some of you think. Their QB (when he had too much time to throw), threw the ball REALLY well and 'strong' and made everyone look bad. Yeah, he only threw to King's side of the field 3 times, but he completed all 3 of them ( 2 hitches, and an IN route for a big 1st down). The big throw on the 1st TD drive was really impressive. Bowers read it and got in the passing lane so he had to throw high (Bowers almost tipped it) but it was a bullet and the receiver went high and made a great catch with Snyder hanging all over him. On the 1st TD pass, after re-watching it, I could see they were in cover 2 which means Mabin has the flat and Snyder has the deep half. They ran a well executed 'smash route' and Snyder was late getting to the 'corner route'. It was Snyder's man, but the camera stayed on Mabin after the play, so I'm sure everyone thought he got 'burnt'. I'll forgive Snyder as it was his 1st game starting and he made some 'freshman' mistakes, but he'll learn from them and I still think he will be really good. On the second TD pass, the QB stared to his left for 4 seconds, then turned all the way to his right and hit the receiver coming back to the goal line and the receiver used his body to shield the throw really well. You can't give the QB that much time to throw and expect a corner to cover that long in man. And the QB threw a few REALLY good back shoulder throws with Mabin hanging all over the receiver. Can't do much about those. Oh, and on the first long completion early in the game, Mabin was supposed to have help over the top and inside from Taylor, but Taylor 'melded' to the curl route (that was bracketed by 2 LB's) and didn't get any depth. Mabin will be fine.
 

NC, those tweets from HGF were live tweets. I'd bet even he would tell you that after you go back and watch the film assessment can change when you do that. There is a reason why coaches in press conference want to "watch the film" before commenting, because you are not always correct on your initial assessments when viewing the games live. I really like HGF stuff, but I'm wondering what his thoughts are re watching the game?

After re watching the game myself, I tent to agree with Icke. Not because I can break down film, but rather that Bahl really impressed me. He made some really good throws. I don't know if he will have a great year, but man did he have an impressive game Vs the Hawks. My guess is teams that play Miami in conference will blitz the crap out of him, so he can't sit back and get comfortable like he did against the Hawks
 
Gamefilm's comment: " 41 is really struggling to find the ball carrier today; just got swallowed up by the center & gave RB a huge lane; happened a few times. " Exactly right, completely obvious.
 
NC, those tweets from HGF were live tweets. I'd bet even he would tell you that after you go back and watch the film assessment can change when you do that. There is a reason why coaches in press conference want to "watch the film" before commenting, because you are not always correct on your initial assessments when viewing the games live. I really like HGF stuff, but I'm wondering what his thoughts are re watching the game?

After re watching the game myself, I tent to agree with Icke. Not because I can break down film, but rather that Bahl really impressed me. He made some really good throws. I don't know if he will have a great year, but man did he have an impressive game Vs the Hawks. My guess is teams that play Miami in conference will blitz the crap out of him, so he can't sit back and get comfortable like he did against the Hawks

Icke's contribution notwithstanding, you have a good point about Hawkeyegamefilm's tweets being live impressions, that may change on further assessment. Like many, I have enjoyed HGF's comments since he started (what is it over a decade now) , and respect his views. As you stated though, game time impressions are subject to reassessment.
 
Gamefilm's comment: " 41 is really struggling to find the ball carrier today; just got swallowed up by the center & gave RB a huge lane; happened a few times. " Exactly right, completely obvious.

It is possible he would change his mind after watching film, but I highly doubt a guy like him would ruin his reputation by tweeting things he may or may not have seen. You would think he would be pretty sure of something before tweeting it.

Knowing terminology and actually having the ability to break down film well are not necessarily the same thing.
 
I think it's time we retire the term "film". I'm sure most are watching digital video in this day and age, and some of the younger coaches have probably never watched a reel-to-reel film session. Let's start the movement!
 
I watched the game on tv and that was it. My opinion is that it was the worst played, most boring blowout that I've ever seen. Nobody could get open, McCarron couldn't catch a cold (hopefully it was just a bad game), the D didn't tackle well at times, we had a couple of really bad calls in our favor that made the score margin wider than it should've been, and Wadley and Daniels looked better than they ever have.
 
I agree with Dean and Icke for once. I was impressed with the Bahl kid. He has size and arm talent. I think they found a good one. Being that Miami of Ohio is predicted to finish near last in the MAC I'm going to keep a close eye on their betting lines. Think there could be some easy money to be made there.
 
As all the analysts are pointing out ...

1) While I'm not ready to anoint him the next Aaron Rodgers, he was certainly "on" with his back shoulder throws. It helps when you've got an athletic, 6'4" receiver knowing how to play the jump ball; meanwhile ...

2) This in NO WAY excuses a seasoned, senior DB from incessantly locking on the WR rather than playing the ball. I don't know if this is standard DB coaching, with the hopes of the player having "it" in terms of instinct and timing but it's been a point of frustration for years and years with Iowa DB's.

If it is a coached technique, it's stupid. It only raises the degree of difficulty of playing the position by, basically, telling them to play blind, then, at the precise instant, spin and find the ball flying through the air against the backdrop of 70,000 fans and sun - brialliant:rolleyes:

There needs to be more of a basketball technique of defense where the DB's head is on a swivel, with as much emphasis on playing the QB's eyes / arm and finding the ball as playing the WR. This is especially true at this level, where, consistent QB accuracy is questionable and it would allow the DB (especially those of Mabin's size and skill) an equal chance at those jump balls and a better chance at a breakup.

This is not meant as a trashing of Mabin - MOST DB's play it this way. More so, this is why King is such a ball-Hawk, he's found the right combo of playing the QB and ball, as much as the WR.

3) Again, as n-Icke mentioned, combo the above with first-timer, Snyder (if anyone should be criticized for being out of position / a step slow to react / giving up the cusion ... ) often leaving Mabin on an island and (as I questioned and was criticized for in the preseason) the ongoing lack of a threatening pass rush, and you've got Mabin shouldering much of the blame for the underwhelming performance of 3 other positions.

Bottom line ... 1st game. Let's gel. If we still see these sorts of "allowances" against Rutgers, then, by all means, be concerned.
 
Is it just me, but every time he referred to "Bowers", I just rolled my eyes and ignored anything else he had to say about the troubled LB.

I did like the observation about Wadley doing a bad job on blitz pickup. Throw in Wadley's showboat ingredients high stepping on his first TD run, and I can see why Wadley still is not starting, despite all his obvious talent.
 
As all the analysts are pointing out ...

If it is a coached technique, it's stupid. It only raises the degree of difficulty of playing the position by, basically, telling them to play blind, then, at the precise instant, spin and find the ball flying through the air against the backdrop of 70,000 fans and sun - brialliant:rolleyes:

There needs to be more of a basketball technique of defense where the DB's head is on a swivel, with as much emphasis on playing the QB's eyes / arm and finding the ball as playing the WR. This is especially true at this level, where, consistent QB accuracy is questionable and it would allow the DB (especially those of Mabin's size and skill) an equal chance at those jump balls and a better chance at a breakup.
But the WR knows you are in man, so they will challenge you with double-moves. They make their 1st move, you peak for the ball, they make their 2nd move in the instant you look away, and by the time you come back around they are two steps away. Being close to the WR and tackling them as soon as they catch it is preferable to letting them run free while you frantically chase. Sure, you could just "keep your head on a swivel" as you say, and see everything. Much easier said than done, which is why most DBs can't pull it off.

An emerging area of sport training is vision training, meant to improve peripheral vision and visual processing speed. I wonder if Iowa's athletes get into this at all?
 
Oh, I also want to support n-Icke and others who are questioning the degree of criticism of the OL's pass-pro. As expected, there were some miscom's but very few fundamental breakdowns and being overmatched.

I was embarrassed for (like - "Oooo, boy; that's not gonna look good in film study.") Wadley's nose dive into the feet of the blitzer (don't know if that was a looping DL or a cross-rushing LB). Hard to blame his intent -- basically his only hope trying to go 175 against 250+ -- but he's got to at least try to get in the blitzer's way more than being a floor mat. :p

Again, let's gel, OL and maybe, despite it being an easy "tell", howza bout some DMX on that play, next time;)
 
I actually agree with most of the defense of Mabin. He was tight on the receiver on all of those TDs', he failed to turn to the ball, but I am not sure that would have made a difference. The Miami receivers were huge.

I do disagree with Icky on Bower, he had a very poor game. Gamefilm and other observers backed me up on the observations that I left the game with. He has not improved, his situational awareness just isn't there. I think Reid came to that same conclusion last year, now that Reid is gone Bower is back. The kid is just not a gamer. But Icky is one of those guys who believes that coaches never make mistakes.......they were right about Christiansan over Stanzi, Jake over CJ. Oh well, Bower will be back on special teams soon. Seems like a good kid, just not a D1 caliper LB.
 
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I'm finally watching the game on Youtube. 41 looks, well.., ineffective. Does he do anything horribly bad...no not really, Its that he just does not do anything really well. He cant get off blocks, He lacks the physical play that a better than average linebacker would have. Often he misses running backs down in the trenches and grabs from behind.
 
I'll add this, 83 should not be starting over on the other side of the ball. He hasn't progressed.
 
Remembering his play last year, when I saw the "#41 is everything good about IOWA football" piece...it sounded like a KFz setup for "I'm going to play this kid because of his work ethic...even if he still gets burned". Rewarding hard work is great, as long it's not at the expense of winning.
 
Gamefilm's comment: " 41 is really struggling to find the ball carrier today; just got swallowed up by the center & gave RB a huge lane; happened a few times. " Exactly right, completely obvious.
IT DIDN'T HAPPEN A FEW TIMES, AND I WENT OVER 'THE PLAY' THAT SUPPOSEDLY 'HE GOT SWALLOWED UP BY THE CENTER' (WHATEVER THAT MEANS) ON!!! IF YOU WOULD READ MY 'PLAY BY PLAY' BREAKDOWN YOU WOULD SEE THAT. I don't know who this guy is, but he's just talking shit during games to get followers apparently. I'll chat with him or sit down with him anytime and watch the 'gamefilm' and he'll have to recant his live 'comments'.....
 
I'm finally watching the game on Youtube. 41 looks, well.., ineffective. Does he do anything horribly bad...no not really, Its that he just does not do anything really well. He cant get off blocks, He lacks the physical play that a better than average linebacker would have. Often he misses running backs down in the trenches and grabs from behind.
I seriously don't know what some of you folks are looking at? Or maybe you just don't understand how different schemes and techniques work? I'm thinking it must be the later....He was second on the team in tackles and second in pass breakups, so he must've got off a block at least 9 times... lol.....What would he 'do' for you to think he did something 'really well'? Let's sit down and watch the 'film' together, I'll help you 'understand' some things.....
 

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