Future Scheduling

[thefizz]

Clemson and Alabama "deserved" to be in the playoff because they played Notre Dame and Wisconsin respectively in their out of conference schedules and they got victories. Wanna go on the flip side of the Stanford vs. Northwestern matchup. A win over NW and Stanford boots Oklahoma from the playoff and I'm not sure that's the case if they played and beat Portland State as opposed to NW. You can't always think in terms of what if we lose.

 

[guffus]

Sure we would. Let's say last year Iowa scheduled USC instead of North Texas and lost that game. Iowa making the playoffs would still come down to the BigTen CCG. If Iowa beats MSU, they still go to playoffs.

The question is which team does Iowa want to be. Do you want to be Stanford who scheduled NW and lost, and missed the playoffs. Or do you want to be Baylor or TCU in 2014. Who were co-champions of the Big 12, and both went 11-1 but missed the playoffs that year. Heck TCU even played and beat a decent Minnesota team and it still was not good enough.

You simply can not run away from tough competition and expect to make the playoffs.

And to be honest with you, I don'the want Iowa to make the playoffs unless they honestly earn it. They really need to prove to the committee and college football fans in general, that they truly are 1 of the 4 best teams in the country. Otherwise they don't deserve it.

These type of arguments are the same type of arguments the Big 12 tried to use to avoid adding a CCG. Oh we might lose. It will hurt our chances of making the playoffs, etc. Well you saw how that worked out. Stop being a bunch of cowards. Man up and play some real competition to prove you really deserve that playoff spot.

When Stanford scheduled Northwestern, no way did they anticipate losing to them, let along the loss keeping them out of the playoffs. These games are scheduled years in advances, you can't possibly know how good the opponent is going to be then.

If you don't think Iowa "deserves" to be in the playoffs because they played Ill. St and N. Texas as non con cupcakes, then how does Bama, or Clemson "deserve" to be in the playoffs, playing the likes of Mid. Tennessee, UL Monroe, Charleston So., Wofford, & Appalachian St.?

The vast, vast majority of P5 teams schedule 9 or 10 P5 teams, there is no reason to schedule an 11th. There is absolutely no reason, and nothing good that would come of playing 11 P5 teams in the regular season.

How about this for a reason. Many Iowa fans would like to see those type of games.

Let me ask you. Which game is better remembered from last year, the Pitt game or the North Texas game. The Pitt game was my favorite game from all last year. I like when Iowa plays teams like Pitt. Sure it's not Alabama but it's better than North Texas.

Iowa has to ABSOLUTELY get teams like North Texas off the schedule. ABSOLUTELY. There is no reason to keep teams like North Texas on the schedule. ABSOLUTELY NO REASON.

 

[thefizz]

And you still haven't answered the question about are all P5 teams equal. If Iowa State was even an average football program, I can start to see your point about maybe not being able to add another P5 opponent. But when you say playing 10-11 P5 teams vs. 9-10 P5 teams, you have to put that 10-11 and 9-10 in proper context. Iowa will be in what will probably be a traditionally weaker division and the out of conference P5 is Iowa State. Those 10 P5 games could be much weaker than another teams 9 P5 games. But using the simple logic of 10>9, you are ignoring the quality of the 10 and the 9.

 

[thefizz]

Great point Guffus. And when we need a miracle 3 minute stretch to beat Ball State at home, that win has almost no value. It actually felt like a loss after watching it.

 

[deanvogs]

How about this for a reason. Many Iowa fans would like to see those type of games.

Let me ask you. Which game is better remembered from last year, the Pitt game or the North Texas game. The Pitt game was my favorite game from all last year. I like when Iowa plays teams like Pitt. Sure it's not Alabama but it's better than North Texas.

Iowa has to ABSOLUTELY get teams like North Texas off the schedule. ABSOLUTELY. There is no reason to keep teams like North Texas on the schedule. ABSOLUTELY NO REASON.

Iowa is gonna play in essence 2 games each year that they view as wins to bring in more money for the university and community. I could get on board with you if Iowa was more times than not playing only 9 P5 teams, but they aren't, they are playing 10. If you can't understand that, I don't know what to tell you.

 

[deanvogs]

Clemson and Alabama "deserved" to be in the playoff because they played Notre Dame and Wisconsin respectively in their out of conference schedules and they got victories. Wanna go on the flip side of the Stanford vs. Northwestern matchup. A win over NW and Stanford boots Oklahoma from the playoff and I'm not sure that's the case if they played and beat Portland State as opposed to NW. You can't always think in terms of what if we lose.

Iowa played Wisconsin. Bama while playing Wisconsin only played 8 other P5 teams. Iowa while playing Wisconsin played 9 other P5 teams.

LOL to playing Wisconsin gets you into the playoffs.....remember how the national pundits told us our schedule was a joke, and Wisconsin was on it?

Oh, and if Stanford just plays 10 P5 teams they are in as well. Stupid, stupid, stupid to play the 11th P5 team. USC, Oregon, Texas, and Stanford again will find out the same thing this year.

 

[deanvogs]

And you still haven't answered the question about are all P5 teams equal. If Iowa State was even an average football program, I can start to see your point about maybe not being able to add another P5 opponent. But when you say playing 10-11 P5 teams vs. 9-10 P5 teams, you have to put that 10-11 and 9-10 in proper context. Iowa will be in what will probably be a traditionally weaker division and the out of conference P5 is Iowa State. Those 10 P5 games could be much weaker than another teams 9 P5 games. But using the simple logic of 10>9, you are ignoring the quality of the 10 and the 9.

Another thing you are completley ignoring, is teams don't want to play that 11th P5 teams, because if they slip up in conference play and lose (ala Bama & Oklahoma) they can still get in. You schedule that 11th P5 team and now you lose to jNW in the non con, you lose one conference game, and ooops, you are on the outside looking in.

Seems to me that the teams that scheduled 9 and 10 P5 teams (Bama and Oklahoma) made the playoffs because of this very reason, they lost a game, but didn't lose a non con game. Basically losing a non con game is the kiss of death, you have to be perfect the rest of the way.

 

[guffus]

Another thing you are completley ignoring, is teams don't want to play that 11th P5 teams, because if they slip up in conference play and lose (ala Bama & Oklahoma) they can still get in. You schedule that 11th P5 team and now you lose to jNW in the non con, you lose one conference game, and ooops, you are on the outside looking in.

Seems to me that the teams that scheduled 9 and 10 P5 teams (Bama and Oklahoma) made the playoffs because of this very reason, they lost a game, but didn't lose a non con game. Basically losing a non con game is the kiss of death, you have to be perfect the rest of the way.

Its not always obvious how much it hurts. Ohio St made the playoffs in 2014 even though it lost to VT in ooc. Both TCU and Baylor did not lose in ooc. Yet OSU ended up getting invited over TCU and Baylor. The real keys seem to be to only lose 1 game AND be a conference champion AND have a decent strength of schedule.

 

[PCHawk]

Its not always obvious how much it hurts. Ohio St made the playoffs in 2014 even though it lost to VT in ooc. Both TCU and Baylor did not lose in ooc. Yet OSU ended up getting invited over TCU and Baylor. The real keys seem to be to only lose 1 game AND be a conference champion AND have a decent strength of schedule.

Having a decent strength of schedule isn't a must. Last year we would have been in if we beat MSU.

 

[PCHawk]

Sure we would. Let's say last year Iowa scheduled USC instead of North Texas and lost that game. Iowa making the playoffs would still come down to the BigTen CCG. If Iowa beats MSU, they still go to playoffs.

The question is which team does Iowa want to be. Do you want to be Stanford who scheduled NW and lost, and missed the playoffs. Or do you want to be Baylor or TCU in 2014. Who were co-champions of the Big 12, and both went 11-1 but missed the playoffs that year. Baylor missed because they played nobody in ooc. Heck TCU even played and beat a decent Minnesota team and that still was not good enough.

You simply don't want to run away from tough competition and expect to make the playoffs.

And to be honest with you, I don't want Iowa to make the playoffs unless they honestly earn it. They really need to prove to the committee, and college football fans in general, that Iowa truly is 1 of the 4 best teams in the country. Otherwise they don't deserve it.

These weak schedule type of arguments are the same type of arguments the Big 12 tried to use to avoid adding a CCG. They said, oh we might lose, It can hurt our chances of making the playoffs, etc. Well you saw how that worked out. Stop being a bunch of cowards. Man up and play some real competition to prove you really deserve that playoff spot.

Why should we have to prove we are a top 4 team when no one else has to? We do the same thing everyone else does. Last year Alabama played Wisconsin and 3 terrible teams. We played Pitt and Iowa State who plays like a pretty good team the one weak of the year they play us. We opened ourselves up to 2 potential losses whIle Alabama opened themselves up to 1 potential loss. The one thing you said that I agree with is it would be fun for the fans. That's the one and only reason it would make sense to schedule tougher.

 

[PCHawk]

Its not always obvious how much it hurts. Ohio St made the playoffs in 2014 even though it lost to VT in ooc. Both TCU and Baylor did not lose in ooc. Yet OSU ended up getting invited over TCU and Baylor. The real keys seem to be to only lose 1 game AND be a conference champion AND have a decent strength of schedule.

Ohio State made the playoffs because they went undefeated after that loss. A one loss Big 10 champion will pretty much always get in. Losing in the non conference removes all margin of error.