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NikeHawk21

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You have 60 minutes to divide between a handful of players in the front court. How do you do it?

For me.
3- Baer 25/ Nunge or Dailey 10/ Cook 5
4- Cook 18/ Pemsl 12 / Wagner 10
5- Garza 16/ Kriener 15/ Pemsl 5/ Cook 4

Minutes breakdown:
Cook - 27
Baer - 25
Pemsl - 17
Garza - 16
Kriener - 15
Dailey / Nunge - 10
Wagner - 10

I like the idea of having a "true 5" out there for most of the game for defense in Garza & Kriener.

I don't see where Uhl finds minutes, outside of maybe the 3, if he gets his shot back.

The Nunge / Dailey battle is interesting, I'd probably prefer Dailey for athleticism, but it sounds like Nunge is pretty darn good. Dailey could potentially earn minutes at the 2 or 1 as well.

Cook, outside of Nunge & Uhl, has the best ability of the remaining bigs to handle playing some minutes at the 3 IMO. I'd probably like to see him above 30 minutes in a perfect world, but we have so many guys.

Going to be a lot of tough decisions to make for Fran & Co.
 


I saw someone suggest Nunge play the 3 on offense and the 4 on defense while Wagner plays the 3 on defense and the 4 on offense. Interesting idea for a way to get more of our posts minutes.
 


PCHawk said:
I saw someone suggest Nunge play the 3 on offense and the 4 on defense while Wagner plays the 3 on defense and the 4 on offense. Interesting idea for a way to get more of our posts minutes.
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That definitely works, and is a good way to use Ahmad's versatility on defense.
 


NikeHawk21 said:
You have 60 minutes to divide between a handful of players in the front court. How do you do it?

For me.
3- Baer 25/ Nunge or Dailey 10/ Cook 5
4- Cook 18/ Pemsl 12 / Wagner 10
5- Garza 16/ Kriener 15/ Pemsl 5/ Cook 4

Minutes breakdown:
Cook - 27
Baer - 25
Pemsl - 17
Garza - 16
Kriener - 15
Dailey / Nunge - 10
Wagner - 10

I like the idea of having a "true 5" out there for most of the game for defense in Garza & Kriener.

I don't see where Uhl finds minutes, outside of maybe the 3, if he gets his shot back.

The Nunge / Dailey battle is interesting, I'd probably prefer Dailey for athleticism, but it sounds like Nunge is pretty darn good. Dailey could potentially earn minutes at the 2 or 1 as well.

Cook, outside of Nunge & Uhl, has the best ability of the remaining bigs to handle playing some minutes at the 3 IMO. I'd probably like to see him above 30 minutes in a perfect world, but we have so many guys.

Going to be a lot of tough decisions to make for Fran & Co.
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Nunge redshirt.
 


I think Dailey and Wagner both will get more like 5-7 mins per game each.

As far as a redshirt for Nunge. I don't think he will. He has the body to compete now. Minutes won't be significant but kids don't want to redshirt unless they are hurt or significantly behind talent side. Nunge has the skill to play now as does Garza. I see both getting 10 to 15 minutes per game.
 


earlkoppelman said:
Nunge redshirt.
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That dude isn't redshirting. He isn't like Uthoff when he got out of HS. This kid is a legit 6'10 220ish already. Uthoff was like 185 and wasn't ready his first couple years really. Nunge is going to play and I suspect he'll play a lot.

Those that think Dailey is going to play a lot more than last year blow my mind. Has he magically gained 15 lbs? He looked like he was 170 to me tops last year. If he's put on some weight and improved than ok I can see him out there but there's too many other options for others. First Moss is going to play more. He'll be over 20 mins a game if he's playing well. Fran loves Ellingson so regardless of if we see more in Dailey than him Ellingson will play more. Then there's Williams and even Baer that'll play some 2 at times when they have a big lineup in.

I think Dailey and Uhl will be the odd men out of any significant mins as the year goes on...
 


I agree that Dailey and Uhl won't see much action this year. Dailey isn't physically ready to guard BIG10 level wings. Uhl's lack of offensive skill makes him a liability on the court and somebody that defenses can sag off of.
 


Hawkfnntn said:
That dude isn't redshirting. He isn't like Uthoff when he got out of HS. This kid is a legit 6'10 220ish already. Uthoff was like 185 and wasn't ready his first couple years really. Nunge is going to play and I suspect he'll play a lot.

Those that think Dailey is going to play a lot more than last year blow my mind. Has he magically gained 15 lbs? He looked like he was 170 to me tops last year. If he's put on some weight and improved than ok I can see him out there but there's too many other options for others. First Moss is going to play more. He'll be over 20 mins a game if he's playing well. Fran loves Ellingson so regardless of if we see more in Dailey than him Ellingson will play more. Then there's Williams and even Baer that'll play some 2 at times when they have a big lineup in.

I think Dailey and Uhl will be the odd men out of any significant mins as the year goes on...
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I completely agree with you on Nunge.

In regards to Dailey, I'm not sure of what to expect. JBo will likely eat up most of the Pg minutes so Williams could potentially get 10 minutes at the 1 and then even 5 minutes at the 2 rather than Dailey. Moss/Ellingson will take the majority of minutes at the 2 so I don't see much more than 5 minutes if any at all for the other guys unless foul trouble occurs.

I don't see Baer playing the 2. The 2/3 are pretty much interchangeable on offense but Baer would need to match up on D as the 3. But another option would be to run some zone like a 1-2-2 and have Baer be the top of the zone to try and be disruptive with his length.

This next basketball season will be fun to see how the playing time shakes out.
 


tmess1989 said:
I think Dailey and Wagner both will get more like 5-7 mins per game each.

As far as a redshirt for Nunge. I don't think he will. He has the body to compete now. Minutes won't be significant but kids don't want to redshirt unless they are hurt or significantly behind talent side. Nunge has the skill to play now as does Garza. I see both getting 10 to 15 minutes per game.
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The question is is it really sustainable to play that many guys? That would be at least a 12 man rotation. Not many college teams have been able to do that successfully.
 


NikeHawk21 said:
The question is is it really sustainable to play that many guys? That would be at least a 12 man rotation. Not many college teams have been able to do that successfully.
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OK! Way to early to say! BUT we should be good THIS year.Tougher B10 no? I trust coach and staff will get it RIGHT.We are tougher and I believe best talent now.Hawks are good.PLAY TOUGH WHEN IT COUNTS.
 


Hawkfnntn said:
That dude isn't redshirting. He isn't like Uthoff when he got out of HS. This kid is a legit 6'10 220ish already. Uthoff was like 185 and wasn't ready his first couple years really. Nunge is going to play and I suspect he'll play a lot.

Those that think Dailey is going to play a lot more than last year blow my mind. Has he magically gained 15 lbs? He looked like he was 170 to me tops last year. If he's put on some weight and improved than ok I can see him out there but there's too many other options for others. First Moss is going to play more. He'll be over 20 mins a game if he's playing well. Fran loves Ellingson so regardless of if we see more in Dailey than him Ellingson will play more. Then there's Williams and even Baer that'll play some 2 at times when they have a big lineup in.

I think Dailey and Uhl will be the odd men out of any significant mins as the year goes on...
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I haven't seen many people EXPECTING Dailey to play. I along with a few others have said he has a chance to play. Here is why:

1. Our team is light on guys that can guard perimeter players. Dailey can conceivably help with that.

2. Our team is also light on guards and heavy on bigs, giving him a better opportunity.

As far as where Jok's 30 minutes go I'd say:

Moss. +8 MPG (25 MPG)
Baer. +2 MPG (~26 MPG)
Williams. +3 MPG (15 MPG)
Ellingson. +1 MPG (15 MPG). You say Fran loves BE but he played 14MPG last year while shooting 47% from 3. I don't see his role changing much at all.
Bohannon +1 MPG (31 MPG)

That leaves 15 MPG for someone. Again if MD is a good perimeter defender and can knock down shots, maybe he earns them.

Lastly the weight thing is so overblown. In today's age of basketball length can make up for weight. JU was an AA in part because of his defense and he was listed 6'9/210 as a senior. Shaun Livingston has had a nice career in the league at 6'7/190.
 


ibahawkeye said:
I completely agree with you on Nunge.

In regards to Dailey, I'm not sure of what to expect. JBo will likely eat up most of the Pg minutes so Williams could potentially get 10 minutes at the 1 and then even 5 minutes at the 2 rather than Dailey. Moss/Ellingson will take the majority of minutes at the 2 so I don't see much more than 5 minutes if any at all for the other guys unless foul trouble occurs.

I don't see Baer playing the 2. The 2/3 are pretty much interchangeable on offense but Baer would need to match up on D as the 3. But another option would be to run some zone like a 1-2-2 and have Baer be the top of the zone to try and be disruptive with his length.

This next basketball season will be fun to see how the playing time shakes out.
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Yeah Baer is a wild card for sure. He can do just about everything but the 5 spot. And I don't see him playing the 2 a ton either. But I think he would be in line ahead of Dailey for it if it came down to it. I love Baer. He's one of those guys where I hope the more he plays it doesn't diminish his productivity. Sometimes that can be the case with energy guys. It's tough to play a balls to the wall style for 30 plus mins. But for 20ish mins in 3-4 min stretches you can. A lot will be placed on Baer this year regardless of if he's starting or not.
 








Nunge and Baer are going to have to play a lot of 3. 4/5 is a logjam even without them playing that position between Cook, Kreiner, Garza, Wagner, Uhl, Pemsl.
 


MelroseHawkins said:
Seriously though, how does Fran find time for all the players, forwards, guards included and find consistency? It can be a dilemma.
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I agree, it can definitely be a dilemma.

I'd like to see Tyler Cook on the floor for 30 MPG if he isn't in foul trouble. Probably the same for Baer if he can still bring his same energy. I'd like to see Pemsl out there for 20+MPG.

Unfortunately, it's going to be very hard to do that if Fran wants to play all those guys.
 


I will grant you that this is way outside the box. Iowa doesn't necessarily have a true point guard on the roster (maybe Williams, but he seems more a combo and JoBo should be a shooter first) why fight it. What about some form of Nellie-ball, use the best guy for the job, regardless of position. My thought would be Baer as point forward. Great basketball IQ, completely versatile, decent handles. Have one of the guards available as needed, but run the offense through Baer. That would give JoBo a greater opportunity to catch and shoot, it would also give Moss, Williams, (Dailey?) a greater opportunity to create. Plus, Baer would still be at the top to pop a three.
I get that this takes him away from the boards to an extent but there shouldn't be a shortage of rebounding on this team.
Just my half a cent, and that may be all it's worth but it seems like it could work.
 


I think Jo Bo did a terrific job at the point as a freshman and got better as the year went on. I agree that this team that Fran is building may not really need a true point. Fran's building a team with shooters with a lot of length which is a hard guard. The point in Fran's team really just needs to take care of the ball, limit turnovers and play good defense. He will be a formidable shooter.

I think the fact that Jo Bo can be deadly from 3 bodes well as a defensive team can't take that lightly and will just open up the floor more. You have to go out and get him at 30 ft. So, even though Jo Bo doesn't get as many shots as he would like, he's still effective and opening up the floor and teammates more. Now if you had a point that really didn't shoot the ball that well, you could lay off a bit and pack it in a little more. Can't do that with Jo Bo.

This Iowa team is going to be a hard guard when they figure it out and start to have consistency. They are going to have 4 guys that can shoot from the 3 and spread you out.
 


NikeHawk21 said:
I agree, it can definitely be a dilemma.

I'd like to see Tyler Cook on the floor for 30 MPG if he isn't in foul trouble. Probably the same for Baer if he can still bring his same energy. I'd like to see Pemsl out there for 20+MPG.

Unfortunately, it's going to be very hard to do that if Fran wants to play all those guys.
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Like another poster said... Baer is a 25 minute tops kind of player. You ask him to play balls out for the time he's in but keep minutes limited.
 


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