Fran suspended 1 game

WindsorHawk said:
And Fran has said as much. What do we want...blood letting?
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Settle down Windsor.... nobody's calling for Fran's head or stopped supporting/loving him as our coach. What he has done for the program certainly has earned him a long leash and we love his passion.

With that said, it doesn't mean we all have to agree with how he handled the situation or disagree with the suspension.

I think many of you are looking at the situation with the black and gold glasses on. To say the ref initiated the contact is absured. Fransford makes a great point... The ref wasn't standing in a huddle.

I don't blame the ref at all for putting his arm up. It's probably a natural reaction as a guy is coming at you streaming mad.

All in all.... We all support Fran or at least I have yet to read anybody that doen't. We'll take care of Northwestern at home and he'll be back with us to take on the #3 ranked Bucks and we are ranked in the top 20 and 2 wins this week and we could be top 15 which would have been the same spot had we won this week.

Go Hawks!
 
but also have to laugh at the idea that the officiating is okay... college basketball is the worse officiating sport going on 40 years...
 
FCAS said:
"Nothing" was called? Wisky actually had only 1 less personal foul called on them than Iowa.

I actually took a quick look at the foul stats for the first week of league play (12 games, 24 team foul totals). There is a definite home court advantage, but the numbers are not as big as you might expect. In the 12 games, the visiting team had more fouls in 10 of the games. However, there were only 4 games where the differential was more than 3. On average, there are about 3.5 more fouls called against the home team. If you take out the 2 Nebby games (they were forced to foul late in their games) the average differential drops down to 2.4.
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True, but before the Ts, Iowa had 7 fouls to Wisconsin's 4, and Iowa had picked up 5 in a row. After the Ts but before the last minute or so when Iowa started to foul intentionally: 8 Wisconsin fouls to Iowa's 3. The game was hardly a model of exemplary officiating, but I didn't see Wisconsin change its game so much to warrant picking up double the fouls.

For what it's worth, all three of the refs in Madison are homers no matter where they go. Their HFM numbers speak for themselves (from StatSheet):
Tom Eads: -3.0
Tim Clougherty: -2.2
John Gaffney: -2.2
 
FCAS said:
"Nothing" was called? Wisky actually had only 1 less personal foul called on them than Iowa.

I actually took a quick look at the foul stats for the first week of league play (12 games, 24 team foul totals). There is a definite home court advantage, but the numbers are not as big as you might expect. In the 12 games, the visiting team had more fouls in 10 of the games. However, there were only 4 games where the differential was more than 3. On average, there are about 3.5 more fouls called against the home team. If you take out the 2 Nebby games (they were forced to foul late in their games) the average differential drops down to 2.4.
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Pretty dicey to make a determination on how a game was called just by looking to see if the number of fouls is equal.

For a hypothetical example, let's say a team in red and white fouls (by rulebook definition) four or five times every possession, but the men in stripes only calls one foul every 6th possession for a total of 11 fouls (assuming around 65 possessions). Meanwhile a team in black and gold (remember purely hypothetical) fouls (by rulebook definition) two or three times every possession, but are called for a foul once every 4 possessions. That would be a total of 16 fouls (again, assuming around 65 possessions). By the looks of it, one team fouled more than the other, but if you looked at style of play, you would see that the other team was actually committing more fouls...

I guess it's kind of like holding in football. They say it could be called on every play. It only matters when the refs actually call it. One MIGHT argue that certain teams foul more often, but just don't get called for it.
 
dwh5er said:
Pretty dicey to make a determination on how a game was called just by looking to see if the number of fouls is equal.

For a hypothetical example, let's say a team in red and white fouls (by rulebook definition) four or five times every possession, but the men in stripes only calls one foul every 6th possession for a total of 11 fouls (assuming around 65 possessions). Meanwhile a team in black and gold (remember purely hypothetical) fouls (by rulebook definition) two or three times every possession, but are called for a foul once every 4 possessions. That would be a total of 16 fouls (again, assuming around 65 possessions). By the looks of it, one team fouled more than the other, but if you looked at style of play, you would see that the other team was actually committing more fouls...

I guess it's kind of like holding in football. They say it could be called on every play. It only matters when the refs actually call it. One MIGHT argue that certain teams foul more often, but just don't get called for it.
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To add to your hypothetical scenario, what if a ref took a made basket away from one team and took zero made baskets from the other team? Or what if the ball clearly went off one player but the refs give the ball to the other team anyway? Will those things show up in the foul stats?
 
dwh5er said:
Pretty dicey to make a determination on how a game was called just by looking to see if the number of fouls is equal.

For a hypothetical example, let's say a team in red and white fouls (by rulebook definition) four or five times every possession, but the men in stripes only calls one foul every 6th possession for a total of 11 fouls (assuming around 65 possessions). Meanwhile a team in black and gold (remember purely hypothetical) fouls (by rulebook definition) two or three times every possession, but are called for a foul once every 4 possessions. That would be a total of 16 fouls (again, assuming around 65 possessions). By the looks of it, one team fouled more than the other, but if you looked at style of play, you would see that the other team was actually committing more fouls...

I guess it's kind of like holding in football. They say it could be called on every play. It only matters when the refs actually call it. One MIGHT argue that certain teams foul more often, but just don't get called for it.
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What if one ref gets on a train that leave I.C. at 8:00am and the other ref gets on a train heading to I.C. at 2:00pm at what time do those trains server lunch?
 
ibahawkeye said:
Settle down Windsor.... nobody's calling for Fran's head or stopped supporting/loving him as our coach. What he has done for the program certainly has earned him a long leash and we love his passion.

With that said, it doesn't mean we all have to agree with how he handled the situation or disagree with the suspension.

I think many of you are looking at the situation with the black and gold glasses on. To say the ref initiated the contact is absured. Fransford makes a great point... The ref wasn't standing in a huddle.

I don't blame the ref at all for putting his arm up. It's probably a natural reaction as a guy is coming at you streaming mad.

All in all.... We all support Fran or at least I have yet to read anybody that doen't. We'll take care of Northwestern at home and he'll be back with us to take on the #3 ranked Bucks and we are ranked in the top 20 and 2 wins this week and we could be top 15 which would have been the same spot had we won this week.

Go Hawks!
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You had me fooled for awhile. However, I have now seen enough of your negative Fran posts to know this was just a smoke screen. You are the person I have read that consistently hasn't been supportive of Fran.
 
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