Fran B1G COY?

Just my two cents worth. (1) all conference teams are made up of players from the best teams in the conference for a reason, and that is the fact that the team benefits from having such talented individuals who help carry their team to the top. (2) Nothing against Fran, but under no circumstances do I feel that the coach of the 6th place team in the conference deserves the COY award. I understand the thought process and love what Fran's done so far, but I simply don't see it going to a team that went .500 in conference play.
 


tm3308 said:
Damn all of you for making me stand up for Wisconsin and Activvadger.

Bo Ryan would be my choice. Lost Taylor off last year's team, lost Gasser, lost Brusewitz for stretches. People had left Wisconsin for dead after the OOC slate. And everybody thought their fast start in conference play was nothing more than a fluke. They continued to prove people wrong all year.

I'm sorry, but Ryan is a pretty easy selection, IMO.
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I detest Bo Ryan. I can't stand the guy...absolutely can't stand him. He should be COY...disgusting but true.
 


BasketballMan said:
Tell me something. why do you see the need to constantly rip or put down our Hawkeyes? and you call yourself a Hawkeye fan? really? How about maybe congratulating the kids who made BIG honors as opposed to ripping on them like you are?
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What gives you the impression said poster is an Iowa fan? I don't get that out of any of the posts I've read...does like to argue about anything and everything.
 


tm3308 said:
Wisconsin got the #4 seed playing with nothing but a bunch of role players. They have ZERO legit scorers, yet still finished in the top 4 (WRONG, they did not finish top 4).
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Wow great point, I guess Bo is a victim of the coach before him who left the cupboard bare? Oh wait that's right, your point is incredibly stupid and implies he should be rewarded for the crappy roster that HE ALONE is responsible for. Wow, great coaching job with all these crappy players you brought in! Hilarious. Not to mention saying they had "ZERO legit scorers" and were "a bunch of role players" is unbelievably ridiculous as well. You think you finish tied for 4th in the B1G this year with zero legit scorers and only role players? What a joke. Next your going to say he deserved it for the half court buzzer beaters. Ohio State didn't have any more talent than Wisconsin did this year, had a younger rotation and finished higher despite Wisconsin having a much easier B1G schedule. Either give it to Crean for winning or give it to Matta, this poor Wisconsin, what an amazing job of tieing for fourth place logic is ridiculously stupid.
 


I didn't have a problem with Ryan getting COY. I question whether he has made a pact with the devil to do so though.:mad: The Hawk fan in me thought that Coach McCaffery should have been given some consideration. Many pundits picked the Hawks to finish 10th to 12th and we obviously exceeded those predictions and, given the all-conference teams, did it without a lot of stars.
 


Fran will get it next year when we finish in the top 3. It's like everything else this year. We have to be patient and know next year will be better in many ways.
 


MisterLucky;1090635Many pundits picked the Hawks to finish 10th to 12th and we obviously exceeded those predictions and said:
Curious to the veracity of this claim, I engaged in some inquiry to to determine its veracity. Though admittedly my research was not comprehensive, I feel confident concluding this presupposition is fantasy.
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Tskinner said:
Wow great point, I guess Bo is a victim of the coach before him who left the cupboard bare? Oh wait that's right, your point is incredibly stupid and implies he should be rewarded for the crappy roster that HE ALONE is responsible for. Wow, great coaching job with all these crappy players you brought in! Hilarious. Not to mention saying they had "ZERO legit scorers" and were "a bunch of role players" is unbelievably ridiculous as well. You think you finish tied for 4th in the B1G this year with zero legit scorers and only role players? What a joke. Next your going to say he deserved it for the half court buzzer beaters. Ohio State didn't have any more talent than Wisconsin did this year, had a younger rotation and finished higher despite Wisconsin having a much easier B1G schedule. Either give it to Crean for winning or give it to Matta, this poor Wisconsin, what an amazing job of tieing for fourth place logic is ridiculously stupid.
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Are you serious? I guess coaching equals recruiting, nothing else? Also you edited tork's post to say they did not finish top 4, it's not even debatable that they didn't finish in the top 4 (they even have the 4 seed in the tournament). Wisconsin actually did finish in the top 4 with only role players and no outstanding scorers (Brust, their leading scorer, is 22nd in the conference in scoring), and that's a testament to actual coaching ability. Same goes for Matta this year, and you could argue Painter falls in this area as well. I don't get why you think that Ryan shouldn't be considered for COY because his roster is low on talent; that's the point of the award, rewarding those who maximize the potential of their roster. But maybe you'd rather see Beilein win coach of the year?
 


Tskinner said:
Wow great point, I guess Bo is a victim of the coach before him who left the cupboard bare? Oh wait that's right, your point is incredibly stupid and implies he should be rewarded for the crappy roster that HE ALONE is responsible for. Wow, great coaching job with all these crappy players you brought in! Hilarious. Not to mention saying they had "ZERO legit scorers" and were "a bunch of role players" is unbelievably ridiculous as well. You think you finish tied for 4th in the B1G this year with zero legit scorers and only role players? What a joke. Next your going to say he deserved it for the half court buzzer beaters. Ohio State didn't have any more talent than Wisconsin did this year, had a younger rotation and finished higher despite Wisconsin having a much easier B1G schedule. Either give it to Crean for winning or give it to Matta, this poor Wisconsin, what an amazing job of tieing for fourth place logic is ridiculously stupid.
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And Matta isn't equally responsible for the state of HIS roster? Wisconsin has NOBODY on Thomas' level. Wisconsin was working with less than Matta was at OSU, and still finished in the top 4, one game back of OSU.

OSU went 6-5 against the Big Ten teams likely to get into the Dance. Wisconsin was 6-4 (they're equal at 7-5 if you include Iowa). OSU was 4-4 against the other four teams in the top 5, Wisconsin was 3-3. They're pretty equal, and I think Wisconsin did it with less.

But to be fair, these are the only two coaches in the discussion this year, IMO. Either is a great choice, and I still think the main reason anybody here hates the official decision is because they hate Wisconsin in general.
 


One could have argued Ryan, Crean, Matta, or Izzo and be perfectly rational. Beilein would be a stretch. Fran is worthy of some votes, but at this point, has exactly two more wins than last season. Tubby? No.

The one I think is being left out is Groce. Yes, the Illini have faded, but wins against Butler and Gonzaga, not to mention some good wins in conference schedule. And he did it in his first year, with a team that lost Myers Leonard. Maybe not COY, but certainly in any conversation I'd be having.
 


volhawk50 said:
Are you serious? I guess coaching equals recruiting, nothing else? Also you edited tork's post to say they did not finish top 4, it's not even debatable that they didn't finish in the top 4 (they even have the 4 seed in the tournament). Wisconsin actually did finish in the top 4 with only role players and no outstanding scorers (Brust, their leading scorer, is 22nd in the conference in scoring), and that's a testament to actual coaching ability. Same goes for Matta this year, and you could argue Painter falls in this area as well. I don't get why you think that Ryan shouldn't be considered for COY because his roster is low on talent; that's the point of the award, rewarding those who maximize the potential of their roster. But maybe you'd rather see Beilein win coach of the year?
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First, learn to count, they TIED for fourth, that's a top 5 finish, it's not that complicated, try using your fingers. Second where did I say he shouldn't be considered? Third, where did I say coaching is only about recruiting and nothing else, you are the one who seems to be too slow to realize both facets are part of the job. Fourth, the fact you think Brust being 22nd in the conference in scoring means anything considering their style of play shows you are too dumb to even try to argue with.
 


Klondike53226 said:
Curious to the veracity of this claim, I engaged in some inquiry to to determine its veracity. Though admittedly my research was not comprehensive, I feel confident concluding this presupposition is fantasy.
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Worst shtick ever. Way to heavy handed, not believable or amusing. You really need to be one or the other.
 


tm3308 said:
And Matta isn't equally responsible for the state of HIS roster? Wisconsin has NOBODY on Thomas' level. Wisconsin was working with less than Matta was at OSU, and still finished in the top 4, one game back of OSU.

OSU went 6-5 against the Big Ten teams likely to get into the Dance. Wisconsin was 6-4 (they're equal at 7-5 if you include Iowa). OSU was 4-4 against the other four teams in the top 5, Wisconsin was 3-3. They're pretty equal, and I think Wisconsin did it with less.

But to be fair, these are the only two coaches in the discussion this year, IMO. Either is a great choice, and I still think the main reason anybody here hates the official decision is because they hate Wisconsin in general.
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Of course Matta is also responsible for his roster. However like I said Matta clearly also had less talent than the other top teams yet was inches from the B1G title while Bo wasn't. That's why I say he is easily deserving over Bo. You're completely ignoring the fact Wisky didn't play IU and Michigan twice like OSU did which is ridiculous. They would most likely have at least 1 and probably 2 more losses if they had. Either give it to Crean or to Matta, your claim that Bo is clearly deserving for a fourth place tie when he is responsible for whatever talent or lack there of is ridiculous. If he had played a tougher schedule and finished 1st or 2nd I would more than gladly tip my cap and agree he's deserving, I have no problem with him and agree hes among the best in the country.
 


Tskinner said:
First, learn to count, they TIED for fourth, that's a top 5 finish, it's not that complicated, try using your fingers. Second where did I say he shouldn't be considered? Third, where did I say coaching is only about recruiting and nothing else, you are the one who seems to be too slow to realize both facets are part of the job. Fourth, the fact you think Brust being 22nd in the conference in scoring means anything considering their style of play shows you are too dumb to even try to argue with.
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They got the #4 seed by virtue of beating the team they tied with. That's good enough to say they made the top 4.

Jordan Taylor averaged just under 15 ppg last year, which tied for 11th in the conference. Two years ago, Taylor and Leuer finished 3rd and 4th in scoring at just over 18 ppg apiece. Alando Tucker finished 2nd behind Haluska in '06-'07.

Is it a coincidence that when guys like Trevon Hughes and Marcus Landry were the Badgers' leading scorers, Wisconsin wasn't so hot, but when the players I mentioned above were in town, they were pretty darn good?

Finishing as the #4 seed when your leading scorer ranks outside the top 20 in the conference is pretty ridiculous. It's not simply the style of play that causes that to happen. Lack of talent relative to past players has a lot more to do with it.
 




I don't really think Crean deserved much consideration. For starting out number 1, they had some pretty ugly losses.
 










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