Fox game replay in 30 minutes; and a rules question

[uihawk82]

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On the punt fumble when Beyer touched the ball with his foot the ball had almost come to a rest on the turf, or maybe it did stop moving. Does the rule book say even though the ball is not downed by either team can the refs can blow the ball dead if it stops moving or deemed to not be playable?

I think there has to be some rule like that or the kicking team could just surround it, not down it , and let time run off if they were in the lead.

 

[BVHawk95]

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On the punt fumble when Beyer touched the ball with his foot the ball had almost come to a rest on the turf, or maybe it did stop moving. Does the rule book say even though the ball is not downed by either team can the refs can blow the ball dead if it stops moving or deemed to not be playable?

I think there has to be some rule like that or the kicking team could just surround it, not down it , and let time run off if they were in the lead.

They can, but I assume they saw the action coming and held off, which really is the correct way to do it. Let the players play.

 

[uihawk82]

They can, but I assume they saw the action coming and held off, which really is the correct way to do it. Let the players play.

Yeah as I said I thought the ball was still moving slightly

 

[tksirius]

I have no idea what the rules say, but I imagine the rule states something along the lines of: officials will call the play dead when it appears activity near the ball has ceased.

 

[99topdawg]

I know in the junior high rule book, it reads that the punt returner will yell to his teammates to get away from a punt that is rolling and/or bouncing and will wave his arms and point to the ball so his teammates won't run into the ball and turn it over on the 6 and give the other team a touchdown.

However, all JH kids know this, so it is really an unnecessary rule.

 

[ClintonIAfan]

The officiating in that game was complete garbage.

 

[ClintonIAfan]

Also this should have been a fumble, and Iowa got a clear recovery. The refs cost Iowa a critical score with that one.

 

[ATLHawkeye]

I know in the junior high rule book, it reads that the punt returner will yell to his teammates to get away from a punt that is rolling and/or bouncing and will wave his arms and point to the ball so his teammates won't run into the ball and turn it over on the 6 and give the other team a touchdown.

However, all JH kids know this, so it is really an unnecessary rule.

I can only hope it was so loud he couldn't hear them yelling to get away from the ball! Anything else is unthinkable. Without that one play, I believe we win the game.

 

[Ree4]

I thought a player couldn't be blocked into a punt that was rolling on the ground, why didn't they review that? He clearly was pushed right before he hit the ball..

 

[hawkeyebob62]

I thought a player couldn't be blocked into a punt that was rolling on the ground, why didn't they review that? He clearly was pushed right before he hit the ball..

I thought that, as well. The fact KF and staff didn't question, challenge, etc., spoke pretty loudly in this case.

 

[Ree4]

I thought that, as well. The fact KF and staff didn't question, challenge, etc., spoke pretty loudly in this case.

I was really surprised we didn't call a time out for the play to be looked at again

 

[BVHawk95]

Beyer wasn't considered blocked into it because he initiated contact with the defender. He had no business being with in 20 yards of the ball. That was the correct call.

Let's not turn into clown fans here. AJ's sack-fumble certainly should have been reviewed, as well as a couple of spots, but that was a cleanly called game. They let the players dictate it, they didn't do it themselves.

 

[uihawk82]

Beyer wasn't considered blocked into it because he initiated contact with the defender. He had no business being with in 20 yards of the ball. That was the correct call.

Let's not turn into clown fans here. AJ's sack-fumble certainly should have been reviewed, as well as a couple of spots, but that was a cleanly called game. They let the players dictate it, they didn't do it themselves.

I agree to not blaming the refs overall but there was some bad officiating, the hawks had the game in their own hands multiple times in this game. Zero punt return fumbles and this maybe isnt even a close score.

We in the stands could not believe there was not review of the AJ sack fumble which was a bang bang play.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Beyer wasn't considered blocked into it because he initiated contact with the defender. He had no business being with in 20 yards of the ball. That was the correct call.

Let's not turn into clown fans here. AJ's sack-fumble certainly should have been reviewed, as well as a couple of spots, but that was a cleanly called game. They let the players dictate it, they didn't do it themselves.

It blows my mind when players get anywhere near those bouncing punts like that... I mean WTF.. There's no reason to even be blocking at all at that point. That's coaching plain and simple. Woods having just the special teams to coach and most of the players on special teams aren't getting first team reps on O or D so that should be their primary focus. Know the rules and have common sense out there. Growneweg fielded a punt at like the 5 once too when he shouldn't have done that either. Know where your at on the field and do your job..

 

[hwk23]

Also this should have been a fumble, and Iowa got a clear recovery. The refs cost Iowa a critical score with that one.

I wrote in the game thread that was a fumble and should be reviewed but it wasn't. Next play was the completely unforced Greoneweg fumble. Groeneweg was gun shy and flustered the rest of the game and the Beyer play may not have happened if he weren't. He may have fielded that punt. Also, there should be a yell to get away but that may not be reliable with all the noise.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Beyer wasn't considered blocked into it because he initiated contact with the defender. He had no business being with in 20 yards of the ball. That was the correct call.

Let's not turn into clown fans here. AJ's sack-fumble certainly should have been reviewed, as well as a couple of spots, but that was a cleanly called game. They let the players dictate it, they didn't do it themselves.

The fact KF/staff didn't protest, challenge, etc., pretty much said it all for me. My first reaction was that he was blocked into it, but if that were the case, I'm sure KF/staff would have challenged, or at least raised holy hell on the sideline.

 

[eveningnewsteam]

Also this should have been a fumble, and Iowa got a clear recovery. The refs cost Iowa a critical score with that one.

Thats the biggest wtf of the entire game. Can KF not challenge that? That was ridiculous

 

[hawkdrummer1]

I thought a player couldn't be blocked into a punt that was rolling on the ground, why didn't they review that? He clearly was pushed right before he hit the ball..

Incorrect.

You may be thinking of a player being blocked into the punter. That negates a possible roughing penalty if the offensive blocker pushed him into the punter.

No such rule on the live ball.

 

[David79]

Incorrect.

You may be thinking of a player being blocked into the punter. That negates a possible roughing penalty if the offensive blocker pushed him into the punter.

No such rule on the live ball.

Wrong, you can't block a player into the ball in order to recover it on a punt.

 

[hwk23]

Why didn't Groeneweg fair catch the punt? It landed on the 12 yard line and he was standing on the 10 when it was kicked. Maybe it was too low but don't think so since there were Wisconsin guys there almost immediately when it landed. I think it was because he was still gun shy from the previous fumble. Also, Amani Hooker and Brents came close to touching the ball before Beyers did.