For the Vandenberg Bashers

[albertyoungisgood]

Wow, that last big bash on jvb was a real dump on a young guy who is trying to be a great hawk. Jvb has improving to do at accuracy leading crossing receivers, seeing some receivers open up, but he played pretty well this year.

Calling him a wimp, that is really harsh and not a D1 player, he has already proved he is a D1 player. Wild.

yeah, he thinks he knows JVB cause of how his sons acted when they were little kids in their bedrooms? When James had a brain injury? this guy is a d-bag.

 

[FalseMirage]

yeah, he thinks he knows JVB cause of how his sons acted when they were little kids in their bedrooms? When James had a brain injury? this guy is a d-bag.

That guy needs to be banned, there's no call to be bashing on a college kid like that.

 

[uihawk82]

Ahhhh, I see DarthKinnick played football in high school which makes him the Mel Kiper of HN in evaluating hawkeye football players.

I dont think jvb looked timid or a wimp trying to get that last first down when he got knocked out of the game.

 

[9YRPLAN]

I mean this is just silly. JVB is going to have his name called on draft day, dudes going to make an NFL roster and you have him behind Mccann and Chandler....

LMFAO

 

[KansasHawkeye]

I think not having McNutt next year will actually help JVB. Instead of having a primary receiver every pass play, it will force him to go thru his progressions and find the open man.

 

[silvanthalas]

If that is not a decent season what would it take?

Wins on the road, for starters.

 

[SayHawkKid]

I realize he was not up to snuff on the road the his year, and he has to improve on his consistency.

reminds me of: I realize he was not up to snuff on his accuracy and he has to improve on his mechanics.

But he threw for over 3000 yards this year, the 4th highest total in a single season in Iowa history...25 touchdowns to 6 interceptions.

reminds me of: he came in as a highly touted recruit and I would like to think I had a hand in some of the success in getting him to come to Iowa.

The kid has ability...top shelf ability. He just wasn't consistent..and he also had a lot of dropped balls this year. He needs to calm down a bit more on the road.

reminds me of: The kid has KF's blessing...so he must be doing the right things in practice. He has had a lack of protection from the OL this year (2007). He needs to reduce his "happy feet" in the pocket.

He has the skill..there is no doubt about that. Now, he has a season of starting under his belt.

reminds me of: He doesn't throw interceptions.. these is no doubt about that. Now, he has a season under his belt.

Some are acting like he is the second coming of Jake Christensen, which is just not the case.

reminds me of: Some are acting like he is the second coming of Randy Riners, which is just not the case.

I agree with what you seem to be attempting to do here, Jon. I just don't agree with the way you are going about it. In 2007, you constantly jammed JC's "high character" down our throats leaving a very bad taste. Not that JC did not have "high character", it was just that no one seemed to be questioning his character, so why defend it? I don't really see anyone questioning JVB's ability so defending it has does not have the effect I believe you are attempting to achieve.

KF is the coach. The starting QB is his call. His success speaks for itself.

 

[skinnykilmer17]

This might be the nastiest, stupidest and most bizarre post I have come across.
Darth is diagnosing concussions and their severity and then calling into question a a player's toughness because that concussed player happens to be putting his head in his hands? Here is one of many possible links re concussions. Take note of the picture of the player.

Sports Concussion - Signs and Symptoms - Jean Rickerson

I saw JVB struggling to get yardage to the point of dangerously exposing himself to injury as he spun backwards. You could see it coming. I grimaced before the actual hit to the back of the head. A pretty vicious hit. I'm not sure why it wasn't flagged. Was it that much different than Bernstine's?

 

[rhoffs8]

That guy needs to be banned, there's no call to be bashing on a college kid like that.

He's not a kid, he's an adult. If he were ripping on a high school junior it'd be much different than a junior in college. JVB is on a full ride scholarship to play Division I, Big Ten football, why is he above being judged? If you weren't getting your job done you'd be fired and replaced by someone else. Vandenberg doesn't get the job done, time to fire him and replace him with someone who isn't afraid to take a hit, who can win away from the friendly confines, and who finds open guys instead of using tunnel vision to stare down a receiver. JVB is the worst Iowa quarterback since Kyle McCann. Rudock or Sokol for IA QB '12.

 

[hawkfan2679]

He's not a kid, he's an adult. If he were ripping on a high school junior it'd be much different than a junior in college. JVB is on a full ride scholarship to play Division I, Big Ten football, why is he above being judged? If you weren't getting your job done you'd be fired and replaced by someone else. Vandenberg doesn't get the job done, time to fire him and replace him with someone who isn't afraid to take a hit, who can win away from the friendly confines, and who finds open guys instead of using tunnel vision to stare down a receiver. JVB is the worst Iowa quarterback since Kyle McCann. Rudock or Sokol for IA QB '12.

Don't think he's above being judged either...but according to the somewhat randomly enforced posting rules, there isn't anything allowed for calling out players. How would you define the following:

I think JVB is a wimp

I think he has an empty sack.

He also isn't a microscopic figment of an *** pimple on the guy that really filled Iowa jersey #16.

Anyway, to your point, since those QB's who fit your requirements are so readily available, let's go into the backyard and pick one of out of the QB tree we've been growing. There, that should be better now.

As for your last statement re: JVB being the worst QB since McCann...you were around in 2007 (and early 2008), weren't you?

 

[bcl20]

You can manipulate numbers to fit any scenario you wish to create. You can even make Jake Christensen look "good" with some cherry-picking, just as one can make JVB "appear" to be a better QB than Ricky Stanzi or Drew Tate with number "crunching".

Only people who don't understand statistics say stuff like this.

 

[rhoffs8]

As for your last statement re: JVB being the worst QB since McCann...you were around in 2007 (and early 2008), weren't you?

Yes, I was around. And although Christensen was not good, at least he had a winning record. In games JVB has finished (and I'm counting the bowl game, considering he only missed one drive) he has a worse win percentage than JC dating back to the losses against Northwestern and Ohio State (which was arguably his best game, but now appears was a fluke) and continuing to the 7-6 embarrassment this season was. And you also must take into consideration how weak our schedule was. One could argue our defense was much more inferior to those of seasons past, but the offense did the defense no favors with oftentimes very generous field position for the opponents' offenses, and by forcing the defense to stay on the field much longer than they should have been.

 

[hawkfan2679]

Yes, I was around. And although Christensen was not good, at least he had a winning record. In games JVB has finished (and I'm counting the bowl game, considering he only missed one drive) he has a worse win percentage than JC dating back to the losses against Northwestern and Ohio State (which was arguably his best game, but now appears was a fluke) and continuing to the 7-6 embarrassment this season was. And you also must take into consideration how weak our schedule was. One could argue our defense was much more inferior to those of seasons past, but the offense did the defense no favors with oftentimes very generous field position for the opponents' offenses, and by forcing the defense to stay on the field much longer than they should have been.

Don't look at the records...when comparing QB play they are overrated. (See 2009 Rick Stanzi) Just looking at the play on the field...Christensen's only silver lining was that he didn't turn the ball over. But how many sacks did he take where he held the ball for an eternity? Or those plays when he rolled out of the pocket and either got sacked (instead of throwing it away) or decided to throw with 5-10 yards of green grass in front of him (invariably throwing a JC-fastball into the ground/third row). Even his TD/INT ratio was good...wasn't it like 15/6 or something like that? Yet the offense was awful that year, and I'm thinking we still had both Sims and Young that year, didn't we?

Call it the eyeball test, I guess...JVB looked bad at times this year, but on a season-long basis I still can't say he was worse than that JC-led team in 2007.

 

[rhoffs8]

This might also be coaching/play calling, but JVB never throws past the sticks on third down, which is on the biggest things that annoys me with him. He has a good arm, but doesn't know when to use some touch, which is why so many balls are either batted down at the line, over thrown, or way under thrown.

 

[bcl20]

JC was probably the worst QB during KF's tenure, the only one that compares is Chandler (I'm going by yards per attempt, which is one of the better stats to rate QB's with.) JVB is a much better QB than Jake was.

 

[rhoffs8]

Agreed, JC was bad, but the thing is, he was replaced. Ferentz, in a rare instance of changing something not working (see: KOK still running the O) decided to give Stanzi a shot, and we all saw how well it worked. If only he had given Banks a shot in 2001 who knows what could have happened. My point being, next year KF needs to take a long and hard look at the QB position and not just give it to the incumbent. I fully expect some competition from Rudock and Sokol coming out of the spring and wouldn't be surprised to see one of them perform better than JVB.

 

[bighawkeyedaddy]

Only people who don't understand statistics say stuff like this.

Statistics don't lie, liars use statistics. And I learned that from my high school math teacher who was the best damn teacher I ever had and led me toward a career in the evil statistic category.

 

[BQuastU]

This site made a little money by starting this post.

 

[hawkinn3]

Were just little ol' Iowa, we should be happy we have a QB with two arms.

 

[Bigtenchamp]

He has arm strength for sure.

I'm not sure what else is a great strength.

He really needs to mature in the pocket. He plays scared back there.

But he also has ken okeefe as his coach so I don't blame it all on him.