For perspective: Alabama’s six poor seasons in the last 15

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uihawk82

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Not that Iowa is even close to alabama’s stature as a program but to keep Iowa’s 4-8 record in 2012 in perspective here are some recent Alabama season records:

2007 7-6
2006 6-7
2004 6-6
2003 4-9
2000 3-8
1997 4-7

And this helps keep Iowa’s last 2.5 seasons somewhat in perspective. Iowa under KF has had 5 seasons where the stars aligned very well and a few where the stars didn’t align at all.
Remember, it happens to the best of them.
 
I should add that this 15 year span as you know equates roughly to KF's tenure. I would like to see a lot of things improve and more than a few things change but let's just get back to 8-4 then work on 11-2
 
uihawk82 said:
Not that Iowa is even close to alabama’s stature as a program but to keep Iowa’s 4-8 record in 2012 in perspective here are some recent Alabama season records:

2007 7-6
2006 6-7
2004 6-6
2003 4-9
2000 3-8
1997 4-7

And this helps keep Iowa’s last 2.5 seasons somewhat in perspective. Iowa under KF has had 5 seasons where the stars aligned very well and a few where the stars didn’t align at all.
Remember, it happens to the best of them.
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Here is your argument in a nut shell: "Oh, ferentz really isn't that bad of coach because every program has its ups and downs." It's an incoherent argument you make because guess how many coaches were involved with those poor seasons?

1997 4-7 Mike DuBose
2000 3-8 Mike DuBose
2003 4-9 Mike Shula
2004 6-6 Mike Shula
2006 6-7 Mike Shula
2007 7-6 It was Saban's first year.

So...............einstein, your very foolish argument is just that, foolish. The two coaches that had bad seasons did not have bad seasons for long, as they were fired. 2007 was Saban's first year so you can throw that one out.

In the last 15 years, Alabama has had five bad seasons and fired the coaches responsible for them. In 14 years at Iowa, ferentz has had how many?????????????????

Dumb comparison you make.

FreedComanche
 
They hired the right guy but then somebody wrote that he went to a strip club so they had to fire him.
 
uihawk82 said:
Not that Iowa is even close to alabama’s stature as a program but to keep Iowa’s 4-8 record in 2012 in perspective here are some recent Alabama season records:

2007 7-6
2006 6-7
2004 6-6
2003 4-9
2000 3-8
1997 4-7

And this helps keep Iowa’s last 2.5 seasons somewhat in perspective. Iowa under KF has had 5 seasons where the stars aligned very well and a few where the stars didn’t align at all.
Remember, it happens to the best of them.
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Alabama's dynasty isn't a product of simply being Alabama. It's a product of Nick Saban being on their sideline. How many ups and downs has HE had in the last decade of college coaching?

And at any rate, if you want to go back 15 years and include Ferentz's first two years in the comparison, the argument is even more foolish. By that mark, Ferentz has had 9 poor seasons in 14 years (if your standard of 7-6 is the mark of poor, then 2001 also gets lumped in).

This was a failed venture on so many levels.
 
taking the coaches angle out of the OP's post, it is interesting to note that Alabama and all its history isn't immune to bad seasons or even bad periods. Same can be said of USC and others. Even these blue bloods are one bad hire away from mediocrity.
 
HawkinGoferLand said:
taking the coaches angle out of the OP's post, it is interesting to note that Alabama and all its history isn't immune to bad seasons or even bad periods. Same can be said of USC and others. Even these blue bloods are one bad hire away from mediocrity.
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That's all true. But as pointed out, that usually doesn't happen all with the same coach. Even JoePa, who had a couple lifetimes of goodwill built up, was feeling pressure to step aside before Penn State went on to win the Orange Bowl.

No other school in the country would pay their coach as much as Iowa pays Ferentz, and shell out all kinds of money for stadium and other facility upgrades, and settle for a 5/9 ratio of good/bad seasons. Iowa raises and shells out money like one of the big boys, but is willing to settle for a lot less than big boy results on a consistent basis.
 
You know youve got a problem when you have to try this hard to make the Kirk situation okay. See other teams have also been bad. LOLfart
 
OUTofTOWNHAWK said:
You know youve got a problem when you have to try this hard to make the Kirk situation okay. See other teams have also been bad. LOLfart
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OUTofTown-

Not sure how long you've had the 'bubblegum' head for Ferentz, but it sure made me spit out my coffee morning.
Sadly, it is funny in a depressing sort of way.
 
tm3308 said:
That's all true. But as pointed out, that usually doesn't happen all with the same coach. Even JoePa, who had a couple lifetimes of goodwill built up, was feeling pressure to step aside before Penn State went on to win the Orange Bowl.

No other school in the country would pay their coach as much as Iowa pays Ferentz, and shell out all kinds of money for stadium and other facility upgrades, and settle for a 5/9 ratio of good/bad seasons. Iowa raises and shells out money like one of the big boys, but is willing to settle for a lot less than big boy results on a consistent basis.
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OSU kept Cooper around for 13 years. He had 3 "good" seasons by OSU standards winning 10+ games with B1G titles so his ratio was 3/10. He ave 8.5 wins per yr and the fans were none too satisfied with that. His downfall was more closely tied to only winning 2 of 13 games vs Michigan and 3 of 11 bowl games. I'm not sticking up for KF, I'm fine moving on to a new staff and would enjoy the excitement of the unknown yet hopeful prospects, but I get sick of people talking out of the a$$s all the time making statements of fact that simply aren't true.
 
FreedComanche said:
Here is your argument in a nut shell: "Oh, ferentz really isn't that bad of coach because every program has its ups and downs." It's an incoherent argument you make because guess how many coaches were involved with those poor seasons?

In the last 15 years, Alabama has had five bad seasons and fired the coaches responsible for them. In 14 years at Iowa, ferentz has had how many?????????????????

Dumb comparison you make.

FreedComanche
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Man you guys totally miss the point. A 7-6 record at Alabama is "bad" historically and if you ask their fans it is "bad". Historically 7-6 at Iowa is "OK" . You guys just dont get the point of the thread.

1. All programs are going to have down years and times. Even notre dame, alabama, use, etc.which means Iowa is going to have them.
1a. Yes we are one bad hire from being in the Mike Shula-Dubose situation.
2. The main point is not bashing KF but that **** is going to happen.

Personally since 2005 I have always said to any one who will listen that KF and KOK and sometimes Norm were good for fricking up 1-2 games a year. If the hawks were 8-4 I figured the coaches cost them a 9-3 or 10-2 record somehow. Personally i think you should attack on both offense and defense and try to keep the opponent off guard and confused (which we dont do).

So you guys are weird to delve too deep into the meaning of the thread as to KF. It is only to say it happens, programs hit the wall, they have a bad alignment of events, injuries, law breakers, etc,

Look at TCU this year, if their QB and another top player dont get kicked off the team they beat ISU and have a better season.
 
HawkinGoferLand said:
OSU kept Cooper around for 13 years. He had 3 "good" seasons by OSU standards winning 10+ games with B1G titles so his ratio was 3/10. He ave 8.5 wins per yr and the fans were none too satisfied with that. His downfall was more closely tied to only winning 2 of 13 games vs Michigan and 3 of 11 bowl games. I'm not sticking up for KF, I'm fine moving on to a new staff and would enjoy the excitement of the unknown yet hopeful prospects, but I get sick of people talking out of the a$$s all the time making statements of fact that simply aren't true.
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Tell me what statement are you referring to that are not true. I couldnt tell ?
 
HawkinGoferLand said:
OSU kept Cooper around for 13 years. He had 3 "good" seasons by OSU standards winning 10+ games with B1G titles so his ratio was 3/10. He ave 8.5 wins per yr and the fans were none too satisfied with that. His downfall was more closely tied to only winning 2 of 13 games vs Michigan and 3 of 11 bowl games. I'm not sticking up for KF, I'm fine moving on to a new staff and would enjoy the excitement of the unknown yet hopeful prospects, but I get sick of people talking out of the a$$s all the time making statements of fact that simply aren't true.
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This is a good comparison or a good example. 8-4 is not a good year at tOSU but it is OK at Iowa (not great but OK) I would have taken 7-5 this year like anyone would have, hell even 6-6.

Head Football coaches can wear off their welcome like city managers, governors, county admins, principals, and all types of public administrators. Earle Bruce and John Cooper both wore out their welcome by having "bad" 8-4 seasons. KF is fine doing 8-4 with an occasional 9 or 10 win season.

You also make a great point about a new coach freshening things up. I think KF would be wise to have his coordinators start freshening things up and making things more exciting because they are gettign stale to watch.
 
uihawk82 said:
Man you guys totally miss the point. A 7-6 record at Alabama is "bad" historically and if you ask their fans it is "bad". Historically 7-6 at Iowa is "OK" . You guys just dont get the point of the thread.

1. All programs are going to have down years and times. Even notre dame, alabama, use, etc.which means Iowa is going to have them.
1a. Yes we are one bad hire from being in the Mike Shula-Dubose situation.
2. The main point is not bashing KF but that **** is going to happen.

Personally since 2005 I have always said to any one who will listen that KF and KOK and sometimes Norm were good for fricking up 1-2 games a year. If the hawks were 8-4 I figured the coaches cost them a 9-3 or 10-2 record somehow. Personally i think you should attack on both offense and defense and try to keep the opponent off guard and confused (which we dont do).

So you guys are weird to delve too deep into the meaning of the thread as to KF. It is only to say it happens, programs hit the wall, they have a bad alignment of events, injuries, law breakers, etc,

Look at TCU this year, if their QB and another top player dont get kicked off the team they beat ISU and have a better season.
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Uh...we ARE in the Shula/Dubose situation there buddy. Not sure how you argue that.
 
uihawk82 said:
This is a good comparison or a good example. 8-4 is not a good year at tOSU but it is OK at Iowa (not great but OK) I would have taken 7-5 this year like anyone would have, hell even 6-6.

Head Football coaches can wear off their welcome like city managers, governors, county admins, principals, and all types of public administrators. Earle Bruce and John Cooper both wore out their welcome by having "bad" 8-4 seasons. KF is fine doing 8-4 with an occasional 9 or 10 win season.

You also make a great point about a new coach freshening things up. I think KF would be wise to have his coordinators start freshening things up and making things more exciting because they are gettign stale to watch.
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Ferentz has won 8 or more games 5 times in 14 years. 6-7 wins is his norm. That's not ok. Maybe 40 years ago, but not now. Iowa isn't that kind of program anymore, or at least it wasn't. Clearly, it's starting to drift back in that direction.
 
tm3308 said:
Ferentz has won 8 or more games 5 times in 14 years. 6-7 wins is his norm. That's not ok. Maybe 40 years ago, but not now. Iowa isn't that kind of program anymore, or at least it wasn't. Clearly, it's starting to drift back in that direction.
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It was ok even 20 years ago. Ferentz has 100 wins in 14 seasons, he averages 7.14 wins per season. Hayden Fry had 143 wins in 20 seasons for a 7.15 average per season. This isn't Alabama or Ohio State and I think some people here have to high of expectations for a team that has to rely on out of state recruiting in order to field a competitive team.

Having said that I am not happy with some of KFs decisions, particularly bringing back Greg Davis and I am not happy with Barta giving him that contract so there is no accountability.
 
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