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I would have to say 3 years is about right. IF a team is not making progress in 3 years, then its time to cut the cord! I am sorry but when you step backwards each year in terms of wins, then you know you are not getting it done. When you lose more players each year, then you know you are not getting it done.

I would obviously give this new coach maybe 4 years, because lick has not recruited one decent athlete since he has been here. this coach will walk in with a empty cupboard and will have to get some REAL athletes in here to help out what lick recruited. Also if this new coaches philosophy is different than licks, then i will give him 5 years. Because I am not a fan of this ball screen, ball screen, ball screen, ball screen, chuck up a deep 3. sorry that offense is more for the playground or the YMCA.
 
westview said:
If Lick would get fired and the new coach is not any better, how long would you give him?
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Do you honestly think it's Lick that people hate? And not what has happened to our program under his leadership?

Regardless, your hypothetical is too vague to really answer. Is this new coach's record improving every season? Does there seem to be a light at the end of the tunnel that isn't an oncoming locomotive? Is it an entertaining style of basketball?

If the new coach's team had the exact same characteristics as Lick's, I imagine the the time frame would be the same as well.

My question to you is can you think of another university in the country whose coach WOULDN'T be on the hot seat if he had led his new team to three of the worst consecutive seasons in the school's history?
 
Im fine with Lick getting another year but i would say three years with zero progress made is more than fair. Question for the OP - how many years would you give a coach if he hasnt made any progress? what do you think is fair?
 
QUESTION:

If, at your place of work, you make no progress on a project in 3 months (let alone years), would you expect to keep your job?

Iowa is losing money. in basketball revenue.
Iowa is losing games. in bunches.
Iowa is losing fans. by the thousands.
Iowa has already lost any shred of respect it had left. from everyone. Andy Katz of ESPN called Iowa, "irrelevant" over the weekend.

When will enough be enough?

And, another question, WHEN Lick gets the axe, will that be called a moral victory? Sorry, could not resist. :)
 
IowaFanSince82 said:
I would have to say 3 years is about right. IF a team is not making progress in 3 years, then its time to cut the cord! I am sorry but when you step backwards each year in terms of wins, then you know you are not getting it done. When you lose more players each year, then you know you are not getting it done.

I would obviously give this new coach maybe 4 years, because lick has not recruited one decent athlete since he has been here. this coach will walk in with a empty cupboard and will have to get some REAL athletes in here to help out what lick recruited. Also if this new coaches philosophy is different than licks, then i will give him 5 years. Because I am not a fan of this ball screen, ball screen, ball screen, ball screen, chuck up a deep 3. sorry that offense is more for the playground or the YMCA.
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Wow, go tell Eric May and Aaron Fuller they are not athletic. May is one of the most athletic players in the conference and Fuller leads the conference in offensivie rebounding. Kind of remember Jim Jackson saying last night that Gatens was very athletic with a big body. But what does Jim Jackson know about basketball. I am sure that OSU career and long NBA career was a fluke. I know for certain that May and Fuller are Lick recruits. Gatens had already comitted before Lick got here I believe.
 
ForeverHawk said:
Wow, go tell Eric May and Aaron Fuller they are not athletic. May is one of the most athletic players in the conference and Fuller leads the conference in offensivie rebounding. Kind of remember Jim Jackson saying last night that Gatens was very athletic with a big body. But what does Jim Jackson know about basketball. I am sure that OSU career and long NBA career was a fluke. I know for certain that May and Fuller are Lick recruits. Gatens had already comitted before Lick got here I believe.
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How many people have been blocked by May this yea? And blocked when they were about to put down a dunk. After every single one, the dunker is just amazed at what just happened. I love watching May get up like that. He's crazy athletic.
 
storminspank said:
How many people have been blocked by May this yea? And blocked when they were about to put down a dunk. After every single one, the dunker is just amazed at what just happened. I love watching May get up like that. He's crazy athletic.
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At least 3 times on dunk attempts. Incredible
 
burky247 said:
Do you honestly think it's Lick that people hate? And not what has happened to our program under his leadership?

Regardless, your hypothetical is too vague to really answer. Is this new coach's record improving every season? Does there seem to be a light at the end of the tunnel that isn't an oncoming locomotive? Is it an entertaining style of basketball?

If the new coach's team had the exact same characteristics as Lick's, I imagine the the time frame would be the same as well.

My question to you is can you think of another university in the country whose coach WOULDN'T be on the hot seat if he had led his new team to three of the worst consecutive seasons in the school's history?
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Well said. The term "lick hater" is over played. No one hates the man. However, the job he has done (or lack there of) certainly is open for quite a bit of criticism.
 
The answer to the OP's question is this: It depends.

IF the team is winning more games each year, not less, then the coach should get more time.

IF the new coach is pulling in some Top-100 players, then the coach should get more time.

IF the new coach is not doing these things, and the team is regressing, then 3-4 years is plenty, IMO. That is also assuming the new coach gets the standard 5 year contract, not 7 like Lickliter was given.

Nobody "hates" Lickliter. They just don't approve of the job he's done with the program so far. There's a big difference.
 
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ForeverHawk said:
Wow, go tell Eric May and Aaron Fuller they are not athletic. May is one of the most athletic players in the conference and Fuller leads the conference in offensivie rebounding. Kind of remember Jim Jackson saying last night that Gatens was very athletic with a big body. But what does Jim Jackson know about basketball. I am sure that OSU career and long NBA career was a fluke. I know for certain that May and Fuller are Lick recruits. Gatens had already comitted before Lick got here I believe.
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Jim Jackson is a great announcer.

He said, "Iowa is at its best when it is getting out in transition situations and getting baskets."

Hey, Jim, the last time I checked, Iowa was in 11th place in the BT in Scoring offense (60 ppg). And that is about 4 points behind the 10th place team in the category.

When your team averages 1.5 pts per minute, you are not a transition ball club.

Also, Brian Barnhart is the worst and most ill-prepared announcer I have ever heard.

But, when you are showing a game between two of the worst teams in major conference basketball, you aren't going to get Nantz and Packer. (or whoever the BT's version of them are)
 
ForeverHawk said:
Wow, go tell Eric May and Aaron Fuller they are not athletic. May is one of the most athletic players in the conference and Fuller leads the conference in offensivie rebounding. Kind of remember Jim Jackson saying last night that Gatens was very athletic with a big body. But what does Jim Jackson know about basketball. I am sure that OSU career and long NBA career was a fluke. I know for certain that May and Fuller are Lick recruits. Gatens had already comitted before Lick got here I believe.
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Well we got three, the sad part is every other team has 5 athletic players sometimes even more! What do we have? 3 and that's it. Our team is so weak because lick does not recruit anyone that is athletic. YES i will agree with you Gatens, May, and Fuller are athletic. But who else do we have? Jon lickliter? seriously that is what this program has come to. Sad
 
storminspank said:
How many people have been blocked by May this yea? And blocked when they were about to put down a dunk. After every single one, the dunker is just amazed at what just happened. I love watching May get up like that. He's crazy athletic.
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May is an incredible jumper yes he is. Is he a crazy good basketball athlete??? He has some great upside, he doesn't have a nice touch from 15' in...he is a streaky outside shooter at best. I don't believe he is a difference maker on a team though. Being a great leaper does not make one a great basketball player. He is fun to watch but come crunch time he isn't going to be the guy to carry a team. Iowa doesn't have one of those guys...heck even Fuller is a rebounder and a nice presence on the block but he isn't a guy you draw plays up for and isolate him to let him win a game for you.
 
jparmley3 said:
Jim Jackson is a great announcer.

He said, "Iowa is at its best when it is getting out in transition situations and getting baskets."

Hey, Jim, the last time I checked, Iowa was in 11th place in the BT in Scoring offense (60 ppg). And that is about 4 points behind the 10th place team in the category.

When your team averages 1.5 pts per minute, you are not a transition ball club.

Also, Brian Barnhart is the worst and most ill-prepared announcer I have ever heard.

But, when you are showing a game between two of the worst teams in major conference basketball, you aren't going to get Nantz and Packer. (or whoever the BT's version of them are)
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Jackson's comment wasn't inconsistent with the statistic you cite. He went on to point out that it's important to get easy baskets when you can, and that often happens in transition. You could say that almost any team is at its best when they get out and score on the break. Unfortunately, in Iowa's case that doesn't happen very often.
 
I have been critical of the direction of the program. I do not hate Lick though. He needs to be held accountable for the debacle that is Iowa basketball under his 3 years. I could give the new guy two full recruiting classes to see what he can pull in. Let's be honest you will know right away what kind of basketball athletes the guy gets on campus for visits. Then can he seal the deal...Lick and staff have not been able to seal the deal on a big time kid yet. Don't know what makes anybody think he can...who in the next years group is the guy??? Most base their class next year on Larson....a kid who plays in South Dakota...big step up to B10. He is obviously good but he won't step on campus and be a difference maker his freshman year. Then barring defections we may have two rides the following season...the direction is bad, the style is not one to put folks in the stands, no connection with the student body, not sure the Lick experiment is fixable. However, this is my opinion...everyone is entitled to theirs.
 
I don't hate Lick, I hated alford but I certainly don't hate Lick as a person. I just don't like either one as the coach for Iowa.
 
3 Years is adequate for a college coach to show progress. Doesn't have to make the elite 8 but does need to be on the verge of post-season while leading a smooth running program, which we are not. Too much losing in the first 3 years and too much turmoil.
 
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