Football salaries...

[Billso]

This is always a nice reminder. I keep forgetting how talent rich and beautiful the states of Nebraska and Arkansas are.

Arkansas has considerable talent - more than IA - and plays in the SEC so Southeastern players know they'll play close to home.

The true outliers are Nebraska and Boise State. Nebraska has far more tradition than Iowa, including two relatively recent national championships - and the Big12/TX connection. And face it they're no longer the world-beaters they once were. Boise State is amazing, that is pure hard work and player development - plus their conference is weak enough they don't get beat up like B10/SEC teams and can survive less-than-stellar performances as they build experience and depth.

 

[9YRPLAN]

KF earns his comp in more ways than wins.

of course he is overpaid based on W/L record, but only a fool uses that as the only measure of success.

 

[hawkeye12345]

How many of Oklahoma are from Texas?

Here is OK breakdown:

FL - 3
MD - 1
MO - 1
OK - 2
TX - 6
VA - 1

If you look at the TX commits, they are from all over the state not just the northern part of the state.

Iowa has 4 of our 12 commits from Illinois....border state.

 

[bcl20]

Does the same argument have to take place in every thread? (aka the "we're just Iowa" argument.)

 

[Billso]

Here is OK breakdown:

FL - 3
MD - 1
MO - 1
OK - 2
TX - 6
VA - 1

If you look at the TX commits, they are from all over the state not just the northern part of the state.

Iowa has 4 of our 12 commits from Illinois....border state.

Certainly our proximity helps us with Chicago recruits. The entire Big 10 plus Notre Dame is also pursuing them, but so what, all the Big12 schools are going after Texas players, right?

Well.. here are the players rated 4-star and above by Scout.com:

State of Illinois - 6
State of Texas - 46

While recruiting rankings are far from perfect, this is a massive difference.

 

[HawkeyeTech]

Why don't you take a look at how long each coach has been at their school? I don't see many that have been at their school as long as Ferentz. Staying at one school for an extended period means you are having success, and you get paid more to keep you happy and employed at that school. You can discount Paterno's pay, as he refused raises when offered to help the school. He wasn't going anywhere.

 

[hawkeye12345]

Certainly our proximity helps us with Chicago recruits. The entire Big 10 plus Notre Dame is also pursuing them, but so what, all the Big12 schools are going after Texas players, right?

Well.. here are the players rated 4-star and above by Scout.com:

State of Illinois - 6
State of Texas - 46

While recruiting rankings are far from perfect, this is a massive difference.

Dude, I don't disagree with you that the immediate vicinity surrounding Iowa City isn't that great for getting recruits. I also agree that teams like OK, TX, Alabama and LSU have a higher probability of landing bigger recruits because of proximity or conference. My issue is that if we know all of this to be true, then why go out and pay top 5 salary?

If teams like Nebraska can do it then there is no reason that Iowa can't either. Nebraska is / was a perennial powerhouse program. Their recruiting grounds are just as bad geographically as ours. Please explain how they can do it and we can't?

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Arkansas has considerable talent - more than IA - and plays in the SEC so Southeastern players know they'll play close to home.

The true outliers are Nebraska and Boise State. Nebraska has far more tradition than Iowa, including two relatively recent national championships - and the Big12/TX connection. And face it they're no longer the world-beaters they once were. Boise State is amazing, that is pure hard work and player development - plus their conference is weak enough they don't get beat up like B10/SEC teams and can survive less-than-stellar performances as they build experience and depth.

Not to mention that Boise State is currently under NCAA investigation...

 

[HawkeyeTech]

Dude, I don't disagree with you that the immediate vicinity surrounding Iowa City isn't that great for getting recruits. I also agree that teams like OK, TX, Alabama and LSU have a higher probability of landing bigger recruits because of proximity or conference. My issue is that if we know all of this to be true, then why go out and pay top 5 salary?

If teams like Nebraska can do it then there is no reason that Iowa can't either. Nebraska is / was a perennial powerhouse program. Their recruiting grounds are just as bad geographically as ours. Please explain how they can do it and we can't?

WAS a perrennial power is correct. Iowa's record over the last 10 years is better than Nebraska's. And Pellini is making $2,775,000 after only what, three years, with mixed results? Ferentz has been at Iowa for 13. How much was Kirk making after three years? Look for Pellini's pay to climb past Ferentz if he is able to consistently win at Nebraska.

 

[racerhawk]

Texas was 5-7 last year and just 6-3 so far this year. Of course they'd won 10 games for 8 straight seasons prior, including 13 games twice.

Stoops went 8-5 in '09 and the boo birds were out.

Petrino at Arkansas went 5-7 and 8-5 in '08/'09

Mark Richt at Georgia went 8-5 and 6-7 the last 2 yrs and was considered on the hot seat, though currently 8-2 after an 0-2 start.

My point is that even the finest coaches have teams that stumble. If Ferentz starts delivering a pattern of mediocrity, I'll be concerned, but until then will give him every benefit of the doubt.

 

[HawkeyeMcNutt]

Ferentz is in pretty heady company with the top paid college coaches. Too bad he cannot perform like those paid the high salaries.

When you look at the coaches listed in the top 5 or top 10, Ferentz sticks out like a sore thumb as being easily one of the most overpaid coaches in the list compared to success.

College coaches cash in ? USATODAY.com

Think Before You Post.

Where is Jon's article defending Kirk and pointing out all of his success?

 

[Billso]

If teams like Nebraska can do it then there is no reason that Iowa can't either. Nebraska is / was a perennial powerhouse program. Their recruiting grounds are just as bad geographically as ours. Please explain how they can do it and we can't?

Emphasis on "was". Nebraska became a powerhouse in a very different era of no/high scholarship limits and stockpiling. They developed a national recruiting footprint they still utilize. Schollie limits have leveled the playing field and they will have a far more difficult time achieving consistent success moving forward. Their record under Pelini is 9-4, 10-4, 10-4. A nice run, but if that makes a "powerhouse" than KF's 2002-2004 run was even better (plus 9-4 and 11-2 in 08/09)

There is a good chance Nebraska's recruiting will be negatively impacted by leaving the Big12. Few of their players or current high school coaching connections hail from Big Ten country. Their class actually was ranked below Iowa's last year (#26 vs. #22) and this year's currently sits at #64 per Scout.

 

[HawkeyeMcNutt]

Emphasis on "was". Nebraska became a powerhouse in a very different era of no/high scholarship limits and stockpiling. They developed a national recruiting footprint they still utilize. Schollie limits have leveled the playing field and they will have a far more difficult time achieving consistent success moving forward. Their record under Pelini is 9-4, 10-4, 10-4. A nice run, but if that makes a "powerhouse" than KF's 2002-2004 run was even better (plus 9-4 and 11-2 in 08/09)

There is a good chance Nebraska's recruiting will be negatively impacted by leaving the Big12. Few of their players or current high school coaching connections hail from Big Ten country. Their class actually was ranked below Iowa's last year (#26 vs. #22) and this year's currently sits at #64 per Scout.

I was going to say, how has Nebraska the last decade compared to Iowa? I'd definitely give the Hawks an advantage.

BTW, here's the link that the OP should read..

This Might Tick You Off | Hawkeye Nation

 

[bb4hawks]

I just love topics like this. KF gets paid well. There is no doubt about that. But trying to equal wins with pay is ridiculous. How many other coaches have been at their schools as long as Kirk has been at Iowa? Not many. He is going to get rewarded for his good years and that adds up over time. Others have to start over when they get a new job. People that start threads like this just have to have something to ***** about. If and when Kirk leaves, I guarantee Iowa will not get a big name coach to replace him. Kirk is one of the most well respected coaches in game, NCAA and NFL. It's too bad his team's fanbase doesn't share in that respect.

 

[Billso]

I was going to say, how has Nebraska the last decade compared to Iowa? I'd definitely give the Hawks an advantage.

BTW, here's the link that the OP should read..

This Might Tick You Off | Hawkeye Nation

From the link:

Guess where Iowa’s winning percentage in all of college football is during that time span? 15th, ahead of programs like Michigan, Notre Dame, Penn State, Miami of Florida, Nebraska, Tennessee, Alabama, Florida State and others.

Now get your so-called "facts" out of here, it distracts from my rant!

 

[JHHawk]

Nebraska is 6th all time in college football in wins. Iowa? Probably 26th?
Boise is right next to California,which boasts 40 million people,and probably 100,000 football players...and Boise is where all the academic non-qualifiers for the Pac 12 can get in.

Iowa arguably has the worst recruiting base of any BCS school,when you consider local recruits and tradition.
KF is the kind of high character,solid coach who is appreciated by donors. Does not embarrass the school. He does a solid job on and off the field. He is worth every penny. There is more to being head football coach at Iowa than just W/L 's as the past couple of weeks have shown. He is the CEO of a big operation,and if something untoward happens under his watch ,he is responsible like JoePa.

I agree with those who say this such a tiresome topic. Re-hashed dozens of times...why another thread on it? So the usual suspects can vent yet again?

 

[ShockRerun]

Nebraska is 6th all time in college football in wins. Iowa? Probably 26th?
Boise is right next to California,which boasts 40 million people,and probably 100,000 football players...and Boise is where all the academic non-qualifiers for the Pac 12 can get in.

Iowa arguably has the worst recruiting base of any BCS school,when you consider local recruits and tradition.
KF is the kind of high character,solid coach who is appreciated by donors. Does not embarrass the school. He does a solid job on and off the field. He is worth every penny. There is more to being head football coach at Iowa than just W/L 's as the past couple of weeks have shown. He is the CEO of a big operation,and if something untoward happens under his watch ,he is responsible like JoePa.

I agree with those who say this such a tiresome topic. Re-hashed dozens of times...why another thread on it? So the usual suspects can vent yet again?

Nebraska is 4th and Iowa is 41th in wins.

 

[HawkeyeMHA]

The UofI are the ones who keep offering him extensions and raises. Are people really proposing he should turn these raises down? I just don't get it. He is not like the majority of coaches who use every good season they have to get interviews with other schools, or NFL clubs to leverage more money out of their current employers. Surely you will all keep this in mind next time you are offered a raise. Surely you will tell them, "No thanks, I do not deserve it..."

^this. send your complaint to the university, not KF. and next time you are offered a raise, turn it down if there is any other sanitation worker out there that deserves it more than you because hey...KF

 

[HawkeyeMHA]

You clearly don't understand how the real world works yet. Ferentz is offered raises everytime his agent starts the rumor mill about Ferentz heading to the NFL. Now here is a little insight that might clear it up for you: What years do you think Ferentz and the rumors of him leaving pop up? A little hint - look at our best years and ignore our worst years.

Maybe there are those rumors when he is doing well because he is more visible and others think he may go somewhere. i really dont see KF starting any rumors...

 

[CraigTNelson]

How many of those 14 commits were "speed" players? I bet a lot more "speed" players on Oklahoma's roster. Alabama probably is 95% "speed" players.

What the **** are you ******* talking about?