Flyover Video

okeefe4prez said:
Oh man, the football train is off the table? I would have maybe used that once or twice a year to go to a game, I bet it would cart in excess of 10,000 people a year making it a bargain at any price.
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Shut up and take your seat

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I was sitting in the North endzone. I can't even describe the feeling after the jets passed overhead. Amazing. Everyone around me was buzzing. I told my girlfriend it was as if I could feel the heat from the engines because they flew so low over Kinnick. It was cool to watch fans high-fiving the pilots as right before they came onto the field.

Unfortunately, but also fortunately, that was the highlight of the day!
 
okeefe4prez said:
Oh man, the football train is off the table? I would have maybe used that once or twice a year to go to a game, I bet it would cart in excess of 10,000 people a year making it a bargain at any price.
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Yeah...I know...a drag. The drug runners will have to continue using buses and POV's to shuttle the maryjane into IC to keep the hippies happy.

Rumor control has it TSA was going to stand up a practice facility at the IC train depot...The Group Grope Gang was going to get its train(no pun intended)ing and hands on (again, NPI) experience right here in IC.

I was so looking forward to your expose` regarding the safety of train travel for the average prole.
 
On the eve of our great national holiday, we should all pause to give thanks for this thread. It is truly a cornucopia overflowing with WIN.
 
Somebody on youtube sent me a message asking me to delete my flyover video because he said Homeland security would use it as a reason to not allow flyovers like that in the future or something to that effect. I paid no attention to it, but maybe that same person contacted others who uploaded videos and got them to delete them.
 
Fighter jet sorties are expensive, and are thus closely monitored. National Guard pilots are required to fly a minimum number of sorties per month to maintain their skills. Flyovers like the Iowa/OSU game utilize the training sortie budget, and DO NOT cost taxpayers any incremental dollars. If the sortie was not flown over Kinnick it would be over random farmland somewhere, but the flights would occur regardless. Permitting some of the budget to be used for flyovers has long been policy due to the public relations benefits.

Again - there was NO incremental cost to the taxpayer.

Sorry to permit facts to intrude on anyone's rant.
 
Billso said:
Fighter jet sorties are expensive, and are thus closely monitored. National Guard pilots are required to fly a minimum number of sorties per month to maintain their skills. Flyovers like the Iowa/OSU game utilize the training sortie budget, and DO NOT cost taxpayers any incremental dollars. If the sortie was not flown over Kinnick it would be over random farmland somewhere, but the flights would occur regardless. Permitting some of the budget to be used for flyovers has long been policy due to the public relations benefits.

Again - there was NO incremental cost to the taxpayer.

Sorry to permit facts to intrude on anyone's rant.
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Nope, you're right. Having some knucklescraper sort through thousands of forms a year requesting flyovers, putting a military ground controller inside the stadium and gassing up jets is totally free of charge. With statists like you bleating Uncle Sugar's praises at every turn, it's no wonder this country has ceded its economic sovereignty to our new Chinese overlords who can crush our economy with a massive sale of US Treasuries. This country was founded on freedom, and for a government that borrows 30 cents of every dollar it spends, going deeper into debt isn't a freedom expanding exercise. I also question whether these are really training, as if it is really for training, the planes need to be weighted in the same manner they would be in flying a combat mission and take advantage of limited use of on board electronics to simulate the conditions in combat behind enemy lines - if that is the case, query whether flying planes with limited electronic functionality 500 feet over 70,000 people is safe. There is no way this is a combat simulation training exercise and if it is, there is no way it is a safe one.

Critics question wisdom, cost of military flyovers at sports events | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Headline | National News

Boston Red Sox - Air Force cutback still allows roaring fly-by at game today - The Boston Globe
 
okeefe4prez said:
Nope, you're right. Having some knucklescraper sort through thousands of forms a year requesting flyovers, putting a military ground controller inside the stadium and gassing up jets is totally free of charge. With statists like you bleating Uncle Sugar's praises at every turn, it's no wonder this country has ceded its economic sovereignty to our new Chinese overlords who can crush our economy with a massive sale of US Treasuries. This country was founded on freedom, and for a government that borrows 30 cents of every dollar it spends, going deeper into debt isn't a freedom expanding exercise. I also question whether these are really training, as if it is really for training, the planes need to be weighted in the same manner they would be in flying a combat mission and take advantage of limited use of on board electronics to simulate the conditions in combat behind enemy lines - if that is the case, query whether flying planes with limited electronic functionality 500 feet over 70,000 people is safe. There is no way this is a combat simulation training exercise and if it is, there is no way it is a safe one.

Critics question wisdom, cost of military flyovers at sports events | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Headline | National News

Boston Red Sox - Air Force cutback still allows roaring fly-by at game today - The Boston Globe
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Come on.

We must plan for the contingency of bombing a stadium full of Al Qaeda at 500 feet while flying in close formation 4 abreast.

Why do hate America?

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I did not say it was free of charge. I said there was no incremental cost to taxpayers. Your statement about training flights is also incorrect- there is a whole range of training ranging from simple takeoffs and landings to the combat simulation you describe. The latter comprises a tiny minority of National Guard sorties. I suggest you talk to some actual National Guard personnel to reduce your confusion on this matter.

I am not a statist and am appalled at our debt situation, but eliminating this type of flyover wouldn't reduce our deficit by one dollar. Anyway that's a topic for the political board.

p.s. I do think flying in the Blue Angels or Thunderbirds halfway across the country for a flyover, as described in your link, is ridiculous - because that clearly IS incremental spending.
 
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FromFry2Ferentz said:
Somebody on youtube sent me a message asking me to delete my flyover video because he said Homeland security would use it as a reason to not allow flyovers like that in the future or something to that effect. I paid no attention to it, but maybe that same person contacted others who uploaded videos and got them to delete them.
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I found a similar message in my email. Sounds like total BS to me. OK4P was that from you?(going by 1212spartan now?);)

"To:mnhawkeyefreak

Please remove this video. It's a great video but not something the pilots need shown to everyone. To protect the pilots, and if you want other flybys to happen in the future it would be helpful if it was removed.
I know this is an odd request, but as a pilot in the Air Force I know this will be used to prevent such events in the future."
 
Billso said:
I did not say it was free of charge. I said there was no incremental cost to taxpayers. Your statement about training flights is also incorrect- there is a whole range of training ranging from simple takeoffs and landings to the combat simulation you describe. The latter comprises a tiny minority of National Guard sorties. I suggest you talk to some actual National Guard personnel to reduce your confusion on this matter.

I am not a statist and am appalled at our debt situation, but eliminating this type of flyover wouldn't reduce our deficit by one dollar. Anyway that's a topic for the political board.

p.s. I do think flying in the Blue Angels or Thunderbirds halfway across the country for a flyover, as described in your link, is ridiculous - because that clearly IS incremental spending.
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Billso is right here. obviously not 'free of charge' but it comes out of their training budget and counts for training time. No 'xtra' money spent v. flying over my house on a weekly basis.
 
imported_ankle23 said:
Billso is right here. obviously not 'free of charge' but it comes out of their training budget and counts for training time. No 'xtra' money spent v. flying over my house on a weekly basis.
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They fly over my house every Saturday morning. Just two of them. It rattles the windows.
 
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