Ferentz should steal an SEC assistant to be new DC.

HomerChampless said:
For example, Nebraska, the NFL's Pittsburgh, the two teams playing in last night's BCS game?

What I'm saying here is: to have an effective pass defense, a defense needs a pass rush and good pass defenders. Iowa sometimes has a good pass rush but never has good pass defenders.

That's why Northwestern gave Nebraska's defense so much trouble this season. Nebraska had the pass defenders but the pass rush was ineffective because some of their DLs were hurt.
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This is basically what i was saying. Any defense is going to struggle against the pass without a pass rush.
 
Section136 said:
Also- Every single one of the starters last night in the BCS Title Game, not counting kickers/punters, grew up south of the Mason/Dixon line. SEC country is where the majority of the BCS level talent is. Just because Iowa hires a DC from that area does not give us a better chance of pulling a kid from Louisiana, Georgia or Alabama.
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YAHTZEE!!!!!
 
DexterMorgan said:
This is basically what i was saying. Any defense is going to struggle against the pass without a pass rush.
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Look, I gave you examples of teams that didn't have good pass rushes but had good pass defenses: Nebby, Alabama, and, well, (how do they do it, are they Houdinis?) NFL's Pittsburgh.
 
HomerChampless said:
Look, I gave you examples of teams that didn't have good pass rushes but had good pass defenses: Nebby, Alabama, and, well, (how do they do it, are they Houdinis?) NFL's Pittsburgh.
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Alabama and Pittsburgh don't have a good pass rush? I didn't watch the game last night but from the sound of it Jefferson didn't have time to throw the ball more than 3 yards down the field.
 
HomerChampless said:
Not all season.
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You're really grasping at straws here and I'm not going to go back and look game by game at defensive passing statistics.

I'd say on a whole if you don't have a pass rush your pass defense is going to suffer severely. Sure there may be the occasional outlier but I feel pretty confident saying that.
 
DexterMorgan said:
I'd say on a whole if you don't have a pass rush your pass defense is going to suffer severely. Sure there may be the occasional outlier but I feel pretty confident saying that.
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I'd have to agree with this. You can't give opposing QB's all day to throw the ball or they will pick you apart. The more heat you put on them, the better. It's not just sacks, but forcing the QB to hurry, which causes them to make mistakes, or have to throw the ball away, etc.
 
Do you really want to hijack the thread to this extreme?

Dexter, all I'll say is: I just proved you wrong on your 'no good pass rush no good pass defense' theory.


Anyway, I'm not at all enamoured with Iowa's bend and break pass defense because:

it doesn't stop the other's passing offense.
it tires Iowa's defense out.
it takes possessions away from Iowa's offense.
 
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HomerChampless said:
Do you really want to hijack the thread to this extreme?

Anyway, I'm not at all enamoured with Iowa's bend and break pass defense because:

it doesn't stop the other's passing offense.
it tires Iowa's defense out.
it takes possessions away from Iowa's offense.
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I didn't realize we were discussing this.
 
HomerChampless said:
Do you really want to hijack the thread to this extreme?
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Yes, it was started by idiot trolling.

Dexter, all I'll say is: I just proved you wrong on your 'no good pass rush no good pass defense' theory.


Anyway, I'm not at all enamoured with Iowa's bend and break pass defense because:

it doesn't stop the other's passing offense.
it tires Iowa's defense out.
it takes possessions away from Iowa's offense.
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We're getting a new DC, so it's a moot point to argue.
 
HomerChampless said:
Do you really want to hijack the thread to this extreme?

Dexter, all I'll say is: I just proved you wrong on your 'no good pass rush no good pass defense' theory.


Anyway, I'm not at all enamoured with Iowa's bend and break pass defense because:

it doesn't stop the other's passing offense.
it tires Iowa's defense out.
it takes possessions away from Iowa's offense.
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lol ok.
 
HomerChampless said:
Are you saying it should be a mute point? Does calling me a troll prove your point?
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First off, it's moot, not mute.

And yes, you are arguing a moot point because our DC will change and you can't logically assume it will remain the same.

Lastly, I said the thread was started by a troll. I'll let you go back and figure out how that pertains to you.
 
Dexter, sorry for extending this any longer, but do you think it's wise for defensive coaches to rush 3 and leave 8 in pass coverage if it never works?
 
hogeye said:
First off, it's moot, not mute.

And yes, you are arguing a moot point because our DC will change and you can't logically assume it will remain the same.

Lastly, I said the thread was started by a troll. I'll let you go back and figure out how that pertains to you.
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Hogeye, I am not a troll. All you do is try to start arguments on this board. I don't see anything "trollish" about my thought of hiring a DC from the SEC. Please explain why this is wrong to post questions.
 
austinhawk said:
Hogeye, I am not a troll. All you do is try to start arguments on this board. I don't see anything "trollish" about my thought of hiring a DC from the SEC. Please explain why this is wrong to post questions.
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I don't have a problem posting a question. You didn't post a question, you posted a statement, then when people disagree you start name-calling, whining and do anything but engage in logical, rational discussion.

So, when you want to go back and have an actual discussion about the counter-points we can do that.

Until then, when you're not willing to engage in a sensible conversation, and I can go back and post a wall of quoted replies where you're acting like a child, you're going to considered a troll by quite a few of us.
 
hogeye said:
First off, it's moot, not mute.

And yes, you are arguing a moot point because our DC will change and you can't logically assume it will remain the same.

Lastly, I said the thread was started by a troll. I'll let you go back and figure out how that pertains to you.
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You should stop. They are pointless to argue against. I'm pretty sure they are under the age of 15.
 
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