DunderMifflinHk
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...and is 10-5 in his last 15 games against ISU.
Ferentz is 7-3 in his last 10 games against ISU.
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SteveGarvey1
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Does sort of take away some ammo from the Kirk-haters.
SpecialKHawk
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How many of those losses were last second FGs too. Keep in mind KF lost his first four too and take out I think 3 last second FG losses plus an OT loss and he'd have a pretty salty record going. I think KFs third loss in a row early in 2001 we picked off Seneca and then fumbled it back on the return inside their 10
which might have decided that game. That's how close the losing margins have been.
To me what was surprising yesterday is we won this type of game against them. This is usually the type of game they win.
which might have decided that game. That's how close the losing margins have been.
To me what was surprising yesterday is we won this type of game against them. This is usually the type of game they win.
DunderMifflinHk
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The last 3 losses have been by 3 points each. The average score for the last 10 meetings has been Iowa 29.5 ISU 17.
Well he did say some of the ammo, not all of it.
Well his record is just getting where it should be against ISU. Throw out the first 2 games even though the rebuilding hawks were very competitive and KF is 10 and 7 against ISU. Yes some people can point to some close losses to ISU but that is part of the problem when you are the better team, letting the opponent stay in the game a losing late.
KF, based on avg margin of victory in his ISU games, could more easily be 13-6 in this series.
KF, based on avg margin of victory in his ISU games, could more easily be 13-6 in this series.
hawkdrummer1
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Careful...pointing out uncomfortable facts makes you a "Hater". JFC, that's one pop cliche I wish would die.
7-3 or 10-5 is a hell of lot better than .500. Let's hope the trend continues.
proudhawkfan21
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2-0 is the record i care about today
SamBrownlee48
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Mac had his number in the beginning. Kirk's program became what it is after the CyHawk loss in 2002.
Since then, we've only lost the years we didn't have a very good year: 2005, 2007, 2011, 2012, 2014. Besides 2006, those are pretty much teh down years for the program over the last decade and a half.
Also, look at who the QBs were. Tate was hurt during the 2005 game, and Manson came in and played almost the whole game. JC Superstar was the starter in 2007. The Vandenberg was in flight in 2011, and 2012 was the "oh the humanity" phase. 2014 was the year we lost while deciding whether to stick with Rudock or switch to CJB.
The idea that Kirk dicktrips with good teams at ISU is a myth. The reality is that, when Kirk has a team that's going to be quality, it beats ISU. When Iowa loses to ISU, it's been a canary in the coal mine for the season. The buck still stops with Kirk there, but it really means he has a low-talent roster that won't be very good, not that Kirk's failing to get a quality team prepared for ISU.
Since then, we've only lost the years we didn't have a very good year: 2005, 2007, 2011, 2012, 2014. Besides 2006, those are pretty much teh down years for the program over the last decade and a half.
Also, look at who the QBs were. Tate was hurt during the 2005 game, and Manson came in and played almost the whole game. JC Superstar was the starter in 2007. The Vandenberg was in flight in 2011, and 2012 was the "oh the humanity" phase. 2014 was the year we lost while deciding whether to stick with Rudock or switch to CJB.
The idea that Kirk dicktrips with good teams at ISU is a myth. The reality is that, when Kirk has a team that's going to be quality, it beats ISU. When Iowa loses to ISU, it's been a canary in the coal mine for the season. The buck still stops with Kirk there, but it really means he has a low-talent roster that won't be very good, not that Kirk's failing to get a quality team prepared for ISU.
deanvogs
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It is indeed, and if you listened to ISU fans. one would think the all time series between Iowa and ISU is 10-10. You would also think that ISU had the longest consecutive NCAA tournament appearance streak in the nation at 6 years.
tksirius
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I can't disagree with what you just posted, either.
hawkdrummer1
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True, but a 20 year sample is pretty robust. They have a case when they say they've held their own against KFz. Because they have.
trj
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Exactly........When Iowa/ISU are relatively even ...Iowa usually loses the game. That is what was so refreshing about this game they actually won it.
Come October Iowa will likely be the better team, but right now they are both about even.
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DDThompson
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These are stats the KF-haters get bored with too
We're finding a little common ground more and more in HN.
deanvogs
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Ok, but isn't a 10 or 15 year sample more relevant? Of course they don't want to use those numbers as it shows them Winning 30-33% instead of 50% of the time.
Pretty good guess. If you apply the Pythagorean model of football record predicting (uses "points for" and "points against") over the last 19 years, the Hawks predicted record comes out to 12.7-6.3. Even over the last 10 years when Iowa has had the better of things (7-3 true record), the Pythagorean prediction is that they should be 8-2. That might reflect poor game management in close contests, or just bad luck.
