Every P5 school plays it's IN-STATE P5 rivals every year

koralakers

koralakers

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ONLY exception is PSU/PIT (which used to play each other yearly), but are playing each other again.
So, Iowa is simply doing what every other state that has multiple P5 schools is doing (playing ISU).
It's not our fault ISU usually sux (except when playing us).
The state of IA has less than 1% of the US population, yet contains 2 of the 64 P5 schools. (probably why state can't support 2 winning P5 schools)
 
Interesting.

Not sure on the population theory. Before the 90s Wisconsin didn't have much luck in football or basketball. So either the state added a million new people in the 90s? Or, they added just one person named Barry Alvarez? I'm going with the theory that Alvarez made the difference.

I also don't think the Cyclones are stealing home-grown 4-stars from the Hawkeyes. Which would suggest their presence isn't destroying our recruiting classes.
 
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If Nebraska had a UNI & ISU in the state, would they have any so called national championships? Furthermore, what if they had been in the Big 10?
 
If you remove the in-conference matchups (which are required) ...it's a very different picture. 80% of them are eliminated. Penn St- Pitt (has been off and on) and Florida-Florida St (2 "name" programs). Kentucky-Louisville, meh... VTech kicks Virginia's butt every year (like Kirk should be kicking the clones) This one and Penn St/Pitt are the most similar to Iowa/ISU.

This is the kind of slanted data interpretation which make up "fake news". True in one sense...but very misleading. Iowa is NOT doing what every other state does. The majority of those matchups are mandated by conference affiliation.
 
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just to be clear.

PSU/Pitt are the only schools from a state that has EXACTLY 2 P5 schools in 2 different P5 conferences, and those 2 schools don't play each other.

The in-state P5 schools, from different P5 conferences, that do play each other every year are:

lowa-ISU
Kentucky-Louisville
Georgia-GT
South Carolina-Clemson

now it gets trickier for states wirh more than 2 P5 schools like Florida, Texas, North Carolina, and California.

California has 4 P5 schools that are all in the same conference and they all play each other every year even though they are not in the same division.

University of Florida is not in same conference as FSU and Miami. Florida and FSU do play every year, but Florida and Miami do not play every year.

Texas A&M is not in the same conference as Texas, TT, TCU, and Baylor. A&M does not play any of them every year.

UNC, NCSU, Duke and Wake are in the same conference but all of them do not play every year because they are split between 2 divisions.
 
Well Iowa and ISU just extended the contract two more years through '23 so it goes on. It's like they gave the middle finger to those of us who'd like to see some changes.
 
hawkdrummer1 said:
If you remove the in-conference matchups (which are required) ...it's a very different picture. 80% of them are eliminated. Penn St- Pitt (has been off and on) and Florida-Florida St (2 "name" programs). Kentucky-Louisville, meh... VTech kicks Virginia's butt every year (like Kirk should be kicking the clones) This one and Penn St/Pitt are the most similar to Iowa/ISU.

This is the kind of slanted data interpretation which make up "fake news". True in one sense...but very misleading. Iowa is NOT doing what every other state does. The majority of those matchups are mandated by conference affiliation.
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Drop the mike.
 
hawkdrummer1 said:
If you remove the in-conference matchups (which are required) ...it's a very different picture. 80% of them are eliminated. Penn St- Pitt (has been off and on) and Florida-Florida St (2 "name" programs). Kentucky-Louisville, meh... VTech kicks Virginia's butt every year (like Kirk should be kicking the clones) This one and Penn St/Pitt are the most similar to Iowa/ISU.

This is the kind of slanted data interpretation which make up "fake news". True in one sense...but very misleading. Iowa is NOT doing what every other state does. The majority of those matchups are mandated by conference affiliation.
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You win!
 
hawkdrummer1 said:
If you remove the in-conference matchups (which are required) ...it's a very different picture. 80% of them are eliminated. Penn St- Pitt (has been off and on) and Florida-Florida St (2 "name" programs). Kentucky-Louisville, meh... VTech kicks Virginia's butt every year (like Kirk should be kicking the clones) This one and Penn St/Pitt are the most similar to Iowa/ISU.

This is the kind of slanted data interpretation which make up "fake news". True in one sense...but very misleading. Iowa is NOT doing what every other state does. The majority of those matchups are mandated by conference affiliation.
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Virginia Tech and Virginia are both in the ACC since 2004. And, here are the recent scores (2 butt kickings in 6 years):

2016: Va Tech 52 - Virginia 10
2015: Va Tech 23 - Virginia 20
2014: Va Tech 24 - Virginia 20
2013: Va Tech 16 - Virginia 6
2012: Va Tech 17 - Virginia 14
2011: Va Tech 38 - Virginia 0
 
Robowe said:
Virginia Tech and Virginia are both in the ACC since 2004. And, here are the recent scores (2 butt kickings in 6 years):

2016: Va Tech 52 - Virginia 10
2015: Va Tech 23 - Virginia 20
2014: Va Tech 24 - Virginia 20
2013: Va Tech 16 - Virginia 6
2012: Va Tech 17 - Virginia 14
2011: Va Tech 38 - Virginia 0
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Correct, Thanks Rob. So there are really only two or three comparisons... Florida/Florida St (two historically strong programs), Penn St/Pitt (on and off) and Kentucky/Louisville (which goes back even further than the basketball rivalry, if you can believe that!)
 
Something just occurred to me and you guys can correct me. When the Hawkeyes play the Cyclones in basketball I rarely if ever hear people say, "We should cancel this series." I think this best illustrates when it's okay to play a game for rivalries sake. If the Cyclone football team was on par with their basketball squad, much of this aggravation would go away.
 
hawkdrummer1 said:
Correct, Thanks Rob. So there are really only two or three comparisons... Florida/Florida St (two historically strong programs), Penn St/Pitt (on and off) and Kentucky/Louisville (which goes back even further than the basketball rivalry, if you can believe that!)
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Guffus mentioned a couple of others - Georgia vs Georgia Tech and Clemson vs South Carolina.
 
Another ambiguous category is Notre Dame and BYU, who are football independents who many consider equal to P5 schools.

Notre Dame does not play Indiana and Purdue every year, although ND and Purdue used to.

BYU and Utah do not play every year, although they used to.
 
Joshbrown said:
Something just occurred to me and you guys can correct me. When the Hawkeyes play the Cyclones in basketball I rarely if ever hear people say, "We should cancel this series." I think this best illustrates when it's okay to play a game for rivalries sake. If the Cyclone football team was on par with their basketball squad, much of this aggravation would go away.
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This is exactly right. I was going to post that our rival has had one of the worst programs in college football over the past 40 years and the past 3-4 are an average of 3 wins. That makes it different. Nevermind that KF wets his pants every three or four years (or more), but you are playing a rival with no credibility in the arena of CFB. Why keep doing it? I don't get this...they should have let it lapse, then if the Clones gain a measure of respect...bring it back and some of us may get excited. We should put it in the middle of the B10 season, like the SEC does, where they drop in a NW Missouri State in the middle of conference schedule. It would be a nice change up from a B10 team.
 
I know beating a dead horse, but with 9 BIG games (historically, arguably the 2nd best conf in the world), and only 3 OOC games, need a couple 'easier' games.

However, strangely KF's record against the BIG as about the the same as against the ISU's, W. Mich's, & N ILL's of the world.
 
koralakers said:
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ONLY exception is PSU/PIT (which used to play each other yearly), but are playing each other again.
So, Iowa is simply doing what every other state that has multiple P5 schools is doing (playing ISU).
It's not our fault ISU usually sux (except when playing us).
The state of IA has less than 1% of the US population, yet contains 2 of the 64 P5 schools. (probably why state can't support 2 winning P5 schools)
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NO WAY!!!

Notre Dame hasn't played Purdue since 2014 and hasn't played Indiana since 1991.

Florida hasn't played Miami since 2013. Miami and Florida State are in the same conference, so they play every year. Also, it seems that Florida plays Florida State every year as a non-conference game.

And I'd bet a lot of money on the fact that Texas A&M doesn't play Texas, Baylor and TCU every season now that they are in different conferences.

It seems that P5 teams in the same state that are in different conferences do not necessarily play each other every year.
 
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