ESPN.com In or Out? Bubble Watch

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Big Ten Conference
Locks: Michigan, Michigan State
Teams that should be in:
Wisconsin, Ohio State
Work left to do: Iowa, Minnesota, Indiana

We often hear conferences described as either "top heavy"or "deep" but never anything about the in-between. I'm not sure what you'd call the 2013-14 Big Ten, in which an injury-pocked Michigan State team and a struggling Michigan squad with a great resume sit atop a league with so many maybes. Thick through the middle? Actually, don't answer that.
Wisconsin [19-5 (6-5), RPI: 7, SOS: 3] News flash: The Badgers are going to get into the NCAA tournament. For all of the Sturm und Drang about the Badgers' January struggles, the worst loss Wisconsin suffered in that stretch was a home defeat to Northwestern, which is still (barely) a top-100 RPI team. Meanwhile, Wisconsin still has wins over top-50 RPI teams Florida, Saint Louis, Virginia (on the road), Iowa and Michigan State, not to mention top-10 numbers in every major selection category. We'll play it safe on locking them in for now, but that's just caution.
Ohio State [19-5 (6-5), RPI: 15, SOS: 9] The Buckeyes might be turning things around. They, like Wisconsin, had a bad January. They beat Nebraska but lost to Michigan State, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska and Penn State. Fortunately for Thad Matta, he scheduled a non-conference slate with more than its fair share of top-100 games, including a victory over North Dakota State (No. 49) that looks better now than it did at the time.
Iowa [18-6 (7-4), RPI: 32, SOS: 52] Iowa's profile could -- maybe should -- be a lot better. The Hawkeyes lost by five points to Villanova in overtime, at Iowa State by three and at Wisconsin by four (after that famous Fran McCaffery blowup). They've squandered a lot of opportunities, is the point. And yet they're still something like a No. 4 or a No. 5 seed in the tournament at this point (Joe Lunardi has them at No. 4), coming off a blowout win over Michigan. If they avoid losses at Penn State and Indiana in the coming week, they'll be totally fine.
Minnesota [16-8 (5-6), RPI: 39, SOS: 4] Minnesota has a couple of decent wins on its ledger, but the biggest factor in its favor is its strength of schedule, which is the fourth-best in the country, according to the RPI. Minnesota's numbers are all pretty solid -- a top-40 rank, a top-20 nonconference schedule -- and a couple of key wins over destined bubblers Florida State and Indiana won't hurt. Games at Wisconsin and Northwestern are on deck.
Indiana [14-9 (4-6), RPI: 75, SOS: 76] Who knows? The Hoosiers have lost to Northwestern and beaten Michigan and Wisconsin on the same floor (their own). They took Michigan State to the wire in East Lansing, Mich., and lost at Nebraska nine days later. It's a talented, young, frustrating and inconsistent team, and one with a ton of work to do to make up for the fact that its best nonconference win (in a weak schedule) came against Washington. Oof.
College Basketball Bubble Watch - It's a new season in the world of Bubble Watch - NCAA Men's Basketball - ESPN
 
What the...........?

Is he approaching this like even if they lose the rest of their games? I don't follow this guys logic at all, says Iowa still has work to do but writes that "they'll be totally fine".
 
What the...........?

Is he approaching this like even if they lose the rest of their games? I don't follow this guys logic at all, says Iowa still has work to do but writes that "they'll be totally fine".

I find the entire process to be mind boggling...makes no sense to me at all. At the end of the day I just want to make the tournament and we'll see how much the RPI, SOS, etc. help any team that has to play the Hawks. Give me the Zags!
 
I can't emphasize enough how much I detest the RPI.

That is the other thing that ticks me off. ESPN holds their RPI up like it is some kind of gospel, mentioning it all over their site and on their telecast, IT IS FRIGGIN WRONG! I am sure they include Iowa's win over Abilene Christian or have their formula totally screwed up.

This is the RPI the committee uses and they have Iowa at #23.

NCAA Men's Basketball RPI | NCAA.com
 
So having lost to only ranked teams, leaves Iowa with work to do?

This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

I get that Iowa's resume could be better, but to knock them and say they have to avoid a bad loss...makes zero sense.
 
That is the other thing that ticks me off. ESPN holds their RPI up like it is some kind of gospel, mentioning it all over their site and on their telecast, IT IS FRIGGIN WRONG! I am sure they include Iowa's win over Abilene Christian or have their formula totally screwed up.

This is the RPI the committee uses and they have Iowa at #23.

NCAA Men's Basketball RPI | NCAA.com

Yeah, you set me straight on their erroneous RPI a couple of weeks ago...much appreciated. I just don't like the RPI. I don't like that article. I don't like Michigan or Ohio State...and yet I will be glued to my TV at 8:00 to cheer for one or the other. I guess it will be Ohio State but I really wish they both could lose.
 
I see Iowa's own Eamonn Brennan did this write up...it all makes perfect sense now.

The stigma that still follows Iowa does indeed tick me off because this is not the same program it was just a few short years ago, but I guess Iowa still has to stop peeing games down their leg as well for that stigma to change.
 
How is Minnesota SOS 4? OSU 9?

Ohio State played a crapload of RPI ranked 50-100 and has only played 5 teams above RPI 150. Basically they played and beat a bunch of mediocre teams. Their best win before this month was over North Dakota State (RPI #49).

Here is their resume: NCAA College Basketball RPI Rankings - ESPN

Minnesota has the 20th ranked non conference schedule. Their worst win is over Texas A&M CC and they are currently 10-13. Playing Syracuse in the non conference really helps as well. In comparison Iowa has 4 wins over non conference foes that will probably lose more than 20 games, and that kills your SOS.

Minnesota's resume: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/135
 
Ohio State played a crapload of RPI ranked 50-100 and has only played 5 teams above RPI 150. Basically they played and beat a bunch of mediocre teams. Their best win before this month was over North Dakota State (RPI #49).

Here is their resume: NCAA College Basketball RPI Rankings - ESPN

Minnesota has the 20th ranked non conference schedule. Their worst win is over Texas A&M CC and they are currently 10-13. Playing Syracuse in the non conference really helps as well. In comparison Iowa has 4 wins over non conference foes that will probably lose more than 20 games, and that kills your SOS.

Minnesota's resume: NCAA College Basketball RPI Rankings - ESPN

I get all that stuff, but playing Syracuse and then marginal teams should not make your Non-Con Top 20.
 
I might have agreed with this article before the Michigan game... not now.

Iowa is currently #23 on the "official" RPI, and ranked Top 10 in Sagarin and Pomeroy. Also ranked in Top 20 in AP and USA Today Coaches Poll.

If Iowa gets to 9-9 in the Big Ten (two more wins) they are an absolute lead pipe cinch to make the tournament.

In my mind, they are playing for seed right now - the more wins the higher the seed, obviously.
 
I get all that stuff, but playing Syracuse and then marginal teams should not make your Non-Con Top 20.

The part that has always bothered me is teams just have to play highly regarded teams. Lose to a bunch of these teams and the Selection Committee rewards the schedule rather than the results. We upgraded this year from last year and hopefully will continue to improve the schedule. I guess I should be happy that our RPI is adequate, our record is good and we have some of those top 50 and 100 wins the committee likes.
 
Who doesn't need to show improvement and be consistent. RPI will help those bubble teams make it in. You want to be playing well when you get in and not get blown out in the first round.
 
What the...........?

Is he approaching this like even if they lose the rest of their games? I don't follow this guys logic at all, says Iowa still has work to do but writes that "they'll be totally fine".

The logic isn't hard, he said that if they avoid losses at Indiana and Penn State they'll be fine. What part of that were you unable to understand?
 
Just a total BS article! I'm still ticked about being left out of the tournament last year, while two teams, Minnesota and Illinois, got in even though they finished behind us in the league AND we beat both of them.
 

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