Effed up playoff system

[BryceC]

As a whole you would by far. Certainly way better than the Hawaiis and Miami (OH)’s a 32 team field would have. And definitely better than Miami (OH) in a friggin playoff game because I’m assuming you’re including G5 teams. How is that any less boring than the non-cons you hate? Do those kinds of games deserve to be in the playoff but not at the beginning of the season?

I’d

We can talk about non-cons going away all we want but it's never going to happen. There's too much money in it.

32 qualifiers means you're going to have dog shit teams playing the Ohio States of the world in the early rounds of the playoffs, tell me how that's better than cupcake non cons, and how it's different than what's out there now. You're just taking the David/Goliath games and moving them to the back end of the season instead of on the front end.

In my model you have as many of the best teams as possible in the playoffs, no ambiguity, and you don't have the ridiculous matchups you'd potentially see with a 30 seed playing Ohio State in the 2nd round. That isn't any better TV than an Iowa/UMass game. It also lets you keep CCGs but they actually mean something. You have to win it to advance in the playoff, right now that Indiana/OSU game didn't mean shit in the grand scheme of things. If Indiana craps out early in the playoffs and OSU doesn't, suddenly the B1G championship for Indiana looks like a wet fart...they don't feel like B1G champs at that point.

Like I said you could go 24 teams and have the top 8 get byes if you’re really worried about bad matchups.

I care more about basketball than anything so I’m used to bad matchups and first round blowouts. I’m kind of fine with it.

Frankly yes, I’d like to see the bad matchups in a tournament format where the outcome would be huge. Last year Notre Dame lost to N Illinois at home and frankly it didn’t matter.

In the playoffs it would have.

 

[BryceC]

I disagree, Georgia vs Alabama and tOSU vs Oregon draw WAY more ratings that these 1st round matchups and now you want to dilute them even more.

Probably so. But would those two games draw more ratings than 16 games? Of course not.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Probably so. But would those two games draw more ratings than 16 games? Of course not.

What if you don't really care about ratings and just want good quality matchups without watering down the system?

I'd just crown one conference champion for every conference and fill in the last spot with one at-large and be done with it. Makes the regular season important and interesting and pretty much a playoff-system in itself. No reason to complicate everything, IMO

This, or maybe take the top two in each p4 conference and 1 from the rest of conferences.

 

[BryceC]

What if you don't really care about ratings and just want good quality matchups without watering down the system?

I'd just crown one conference champion for every conference and fill in the last spot with one at-large and be done with it. Makes the regular season important and interesting and pretty much a playoff-system in itself. No reason to complicate everything, IMO

This, or maybe take the top two in each p4 conference and 1 from the rest of conferences.

Basically every game last year was a bad game/matchup in the first round.

 

[Seth53]

Regarding the future of the non CFP bowl games...

Design/implement a college football playoff system similar to the BB NIT format.

Four or eight teams who didn't make the big- boy CFP tourney get seeded and there you go.

Would be tricky to get the "best" four or eight teams, and playing logistics, but there's a lot of smart people out there who can figure it out.

Non big-boy CFP bowl games would now mean something more than now.

 

[ssckelley]

Regarding the future of the non CFP bowl games...

Design/implement a college football playoff system similar to the BB NIT format.

Four or eight teams who didn't make the big- boy CFP tourney get seeded and there you go.

Would be tricky to get the "best" four or eight teams, and playing logistics, but there's a lot of smart people out there who can figure it out.

Non big-boy CFP bowl games would now mean something more than now.

I would not want to see a NIT format in college football. Just keep the current bowls until they die.

 

[haydensly]

https://www.hawkcentral.com/story/s...-bowl-games-too-many-espn-disney/87803906007/

Good article on why there are so many bowl games, whether you agree or not. I don't believe this has a pay wall but apologize in advance if it does.

 

[ssckelley]

https://www.hawkcentral.com/story/s...-bowl-games-too-many-espn-disney/87803906007/

Good article on why there are so many bowl games, whether you agree or not. I don't believe this has a pay wall but apologize in advance if it does.

Crap, it is behind a pay wall. The headline and what I could read does not surprise me. Bowl games are cheap, people watch football on TV, and most players love them as not everyone is a Notre Dame.

Added bonus we get to see Fry go off on them every year.

 

[HuckFinn]

Crap, it is behind a pay wall. The headline and what I could read does not surprise me. Bowl games are cheap, people watch football on TV, and most players love them as not everyone is a Notre Dame.

Added bonus we get to see Fry go off on them every year.

I pay for Hawk Central, so I read the article. Very interesting! Quick Summary? As long as TV revenue is profitable, the bowl games will continue. Butts in the seats? They don’t care very much. Generally, no end in sight, but stay tuned.

 

[HuckFinn]

I pay for Hawk Central, so I read the article. Very interesting! Quick Summary? As long as TV revenue is profitable, the bowl games will continue. Butts in the seats? They don’t care very much. Generally, no end in sight, but stay tuned.

This post was approved by Fry, but may be moved to the wrestling threads.

 

[Fryowa]

Crap, it is behind a pay wall. The headline and what I could read does not surprise me. Bowl games are cheap, people watch football on TV, and most players love them as not everyone is a Notre Dame.

Added bonus we get to see Fry go off on them every year.

I don't have so much of a problem with the games themselves, just the semantics of calling them bowl games. There should be 12 bowls outside of CFP qualifiers (unless they went and did something really stupid and made a 24 team CFP) and that's it. Other teams are free to play games after the season till their hearts' content, but those 12 are there to be earned.

 

[Fryowa]

This post was approved by Fry, but may be moved to the wrestling threads.

Hawks wrestling is dying an agonizing death unfortunately.

But one thing I will not do is go full husker fan and act like we're still great or deserve to be great after the program died. I'm too classy for that.

 

[haydensly]

I pay for Hawk Central, so I read the article. Very interesting! Quick Summary? As long as TV revenue is profitable, the bowl games will continue. Butts in the seats? They don’t care very much. Generally, no end in sight, but stay tuned.

Yes. It's all about the TV ratings, which is mostly ESPN/ABC. They love the inventory and make money off the games whether there is anyone in the stands or not. The article gave the example of what ratings were for a low level bowl game last year that was on at the same time as a high level college BB game. The bowl game won the ratings and it wasn't even close.

 

[hawkdrummer1]

Yes. It's all about the TV ratings, which is mostly ESPN/ABC. They love the inventory and make money off the games whether there is anyone in the stands or not. The article gave the example of what ratings were for a low level bowl game last year that was on at the same time as a high level college BB game. The bowl game won the ratings and it wasn't even close.

TV money drives it.

So here's an "out-of'-the-box" idea. Make the game tickets dirt cheap (ReliaQuest tickets start at $105). You'll get more butts in the seats (which means more revenue for the stadium via concessions and parking) and better optics.

 

[ssckelley]

TV money drives it.

So here's an "out-of'-the-box" idea. Make the game tickets dirt cheap (ReliaQuest tickets start at $105). You'll get more butts in the seats (which means more revenue for the stadium via concessions and parking) and better optics.

Normally they are, I think I paid $30 per ticket for last years Music City Bowl. Citrus Bowl tickets are going for more than 1/2 ($43 cheapest ticket). This is the first time I've ever bought tickets through the Hawkeye Ticketing office because they were cheaper than after market. Vandy fans are buying up the tickets so they are going for a premium. There are CFP tickets going for less, tickets in Oregon are going for about $80 per ticket.

 

[HuckFinn]

Yes. It's all about the TV ratings, which is mostly ESPN/ABC. They love the inventory and make money off the games whether there is anyone in the stands or not. The article gave the example of what ratings were for a low level bowl game last year that was on at the same time as a high level college BB game. The bowl game won the ratings and it wasn't even close.

Disney is the big wheel

 

[SCHawkeye2]

Nope.

It was a popularity contest with no real criteria decided by a committee. Might as well be a figure skating score when deciding between the 4th team and the 5th team.

They expanded to get rid of the ambiguity and subjectivity and still screwed it up.

Make it a P4 playoff with the top 2 conference finishers invited. Either get rid of conference championship games or make the first round of playoffs the CCG. G5 schools can kick rocks and go do their own thing if they want.

Top 2 teams each from B1G, SEC, ACC, and B12. First round would be Indiana/OSU, Alabama/Georgia, Duke/Virginia, Texas Tech/BYU. This year the 2nd round would be Indiana/Duke, Georgia/Texas Tech.

If there's a team pissed off about not making the playoffs, get 1st or 2nd your f'n conference, Nancy.

Fans mad that Duke made the playoffs but Miami or ND or Oregon didn't? Welp, your team wasn't 2nd best in their conference so do better or kick rocks.

"make the first round of playoffs the CCG"

This