Effed up playoff system

BigD

BigD

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This is why they need to expand the number of teams in the playoff. There are so many teams that improve as the season goes by. Also, if your strength of schedule exceeds other teams that just squeak in before you then the playoff is a joke and a failure. What is it now, twelve teams. Ok, play one more round of games and make it 24 teams. For decades they have talked and advertised top-twenty and top twenty-five rankings. Well if that is so damn important then include that group into the playoffs and lets see who really is the best. If it's not that important then lets do that with college basketball........ and just play the top 16 teams in college basketball.

It only makes good money sense also. One more game of twenty-four teams to get to the twelve we now have. The fans bases of twelve more teams. Seriously??? CHA CHING!!!!!!!! It would be a rainmaker financial for the playoff's and bring in millions of fans who would have a sports vested interest during playoffs. It would also add credibility and consideration based on a teams over all loss record When considering the strength of schedule that can strongly determine the win/loss factors. We damn near beat one of the top three teams in the playoffs. Now 8-4 wouldn't have cut it for Iowa this year but 9-3 .............. outside chance maybe. Maybe we would have had some hope at two or three losses, with a 24 team playoff.

from the article........... James Madison, Duke, and Virginia............ let's get effing real here. By the fourth Quarter Iowa's offense would be running through their defenses like a red hot knife through butter.......... and that is why the playoff system needs more teams.

Let's cut through the chase and see who really is the best team at the end of the season. The more teams included the more we will find out. James "EFFING" Madison................... Seriously??? Did you see who was rated above them??? Let's match James Madison against our Hawkeyes in the first round............. Results??? Seriously??? Nebraska would beat James Madison. "EFFED UP!!!!!!!!!!"

 


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Contract.
Conference winners only.
I don't care if the Big 12 rep is lame. Let the Group of 5 figure out a way to crown a champ if they want.

There is no point in another IU/OSU matchup. Indiana won. They have proven they are better, on a neutral field even, than OSU. Alabama and Georgia could play a 3rd time.

Just utter nonsense
 


BigD said:
This is why they need to expand the number of teams in the playoff. There are so many teams that improve as the season goes by. Also, if your strength of schedule exceeds other teams that just squeak in before you then the playoff is a joke and a failure. What is it now, twelve teams. Ok, play one more round of games and make it 24 teams. For decades they have talked and advertised top-twenty and top twenty-five rankings. Well if that is so damn important then include that group into the playoffs and lets see who really is the best. If it's not that important then lets do that with college basketball........ and just play the top 16 teams in college basketball.

It only makes good money sense also. One more game of twenty-four teams to get to the twelve we now have. The fans bases of twelve more teams. Seriously??? CHA CHING!!!!!!!! It would be a rainmaker financial for the playoff's and bring in millions of fans who would have a sports vested interest during playoffs. It would also add credibility and consideration based on a teams over all loss record When considering the strength of schedule that can strongly determine the win/loss factors. We damn near beat one of the top three teams in the playoffs. Now 8-4 wouldn't have cut it for Iowa this year but 9-3 .............. outside chance maybe. Maybe we would have had some hope at two or three losses, with a 24 team playoff.

from the article........... James Madison, Duke, and Virginia............ let's get effing real here. By the fourth Quarter Iowa's offense would be running through their defenses like a red hot knife through butter.......... and that is why the playoff system needs more teams.

Let's cut through the chase and see who really is the best team at the end of the season. The more teams included the more we will find out. James "EFFING" Madison................... Seriously??? Did you see who was rated above them??? Let's match James Madison against our Hawkeyes in the first round............. Results??? Seriously??? Nebraska would beat James Madison. "EFFED UP!!!!!!!!!!"

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There are ALWAYS going to be teams that feel like they are being left out regardless of how many teams ya have in it. At least with 12, you pretty much get all the contenders who can possibly win it.
 


Quibbling about the 20th ranked team getting in over the 11th ranked (or similar) because the “worse” team won their conference is dumb. The best 8-10 teams are getting in with a couple others that played their way in. #11 ain’t winning a natty anyhow. It will be okay.

There are too many teams for the first or second round to be interesting anyway. It has the effect of still being the same old four team playoff with a couple weeks of bad football in the middle.

Six with top two seeds getting a bye could work. Eight should’ve been the absolute max. There aren’t 12 teams competing for a natty each year. There will never be a CFB Cinderella story.
 


MelroseHawkins said:
There are ALWAYS going to be teams that feel like they are being left out regardless of how many teams ya have in it. At least with 12, you pretty much get all the contenders who can possibly win it.
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I am guessing the "pretty much" portion of your comments would be directed towards the James Madison's and there is the flaw in the system. There are likely twenty teams not included that would beat JM. I am not saying that increasing it by 12 teams, would result in one of those twelve teams winning it all. However you can't prove they wouldn't.

Who would bet any significant amount of money on INDIANA doing what they are doing? They have been a perineal loser in college football for decades. It's good for their fans, not so much for Iowa fans, as they would normally be counting on that game being a win for Iowa when seeing their team on the schedule. Not any more.
 


ESPN will see to it that the college playoff is expanded because it is good for their bottom line. The SEC will get no less than 7 playoff teams every year. The Big Ten will get no more than 3 playoff teams. The remaining slots will be raffled off to the poor.

Alabama will get a reserved spot come hell or high water.
 




Need to re-align the lower FBS teams, by creating an also-ran subdivision. American Athletic; Conference USA; MAC; Mountain West & Sun Belt all get moved down. Missouri Valley gets moved up.

No teams from the states of New York, New Jersey, New Mexico or New England will be allowed in the top FBS tier football again, ever - AMEN.

The Beavers and Cougars get to keep their little conference all to themselves. It will be renamed the "BIG ******" conference. - YOU FIGURE IT OUT
 


BigD said:
I am guessing the "pretty much" portion of your comments would be directed towards the James Madison's and there is the flaw in the system. There are likely twenty teams not included that would beat JM. I am not saying that increasing it by 12 teams, would result in one of those twelve teams winning it all. However you can't prove they wouldn't.

Who would bet any significant amount of money on INDIANA doing what they are doing? They have been a perineal loser in college football for decades. It's good for their fans, not so much for Iowa fans, as they would normally be counting on that game being a win for Iowa when seeing their team on the schedule. Not any more.
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I actually had a feeling Indiana was going to do very well this year. I'm not surprised at all. I'm not surprised they made it back to the playoff back-to-back.
 


JoeyLabasForPresident said:
Quibbling about the 20th ranked team getting in over the 11th ranked (or similar) because the “worse” team won their conference is dumb. The best 8-10 teams are getting in with a couple others that played their way in. #11 ain’t winning a natty anyhow. It will be okay.

There are too many teams for the first or second round to be interesting anyway. It has the effect of still being the same old four team playoff with a couple weeks of bad football in the middle.

Six with top two seeds getting a bye could work. Eight should’ve been the absolute max. There aren’t 12 teams competing for a natty each year. There will never be a CFB Cinderella story.
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Exactly.
 


ssckelley said:
Then when it's expanded to 22 then people will whine about it not being 32.

Honestly the playoff system was perfect at 4, it was crowning the best team in FBS football the NC. Everything else is watered down and made for TV.
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Yep. This is where I live. Make the regular season important like it was in the past. Hell, look at the BIG C-ship game. Both Ohio St and Indiana were going to the playoffs anyway and they still went as #1 & #2 seeds. Remember hanging on every game once in conference because one loss could derail your season. That is gone and it is sad.
 


JoeyLabasForPresident said:
Quibbling about the 20th ranked team getting in over the 11th ranked (or similar) because the “worse” team won their conference is dumb. The best 8-10 teams are getting in with a couple others that played their way in. #11 ain’t winning a natty anyhow. It will be okay.

There are too many teams for the first or second round to be interesting anyway. It has the effect of still being the same old four team playoff with a couple weeks of bad football in the middle.

Six with top two seeds getting a bye could work. Eight should’ve been the absolute max. There aren’t 12 teams competing for a natty each year. There will never be a CFB Cinderella story.
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This. There aren't enough teams that can win to expand the playoffs. I guess I'm OK leaving it at 12 but if that's what you're going to do, get the BEST 12 teams in. No more pandering to lesser conferences that don't have teams that deserve to be in. Let's face it, there will never be a Group of 5 (or whatever they're called) team that can reasonably be expected to win the national championship.
 


ssckelley said:
Then when it's expanded to 22 then people will whine about it not being 32.

Honestly the playoff system was perfect at 4, it was crowning the best team in FBS football the NC. Everything else is watered down and made for TV.
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Nope.

It was a popularity contest with no real criteria decided by a committee. Might as well be a figure skating score when deciding between the 4th team and the 5th team.

They expanded to get rid of the ambiguity and subjectivity and still screwed it up.

Make it a P4 playoff with the top 2 conference finishers invited. Either get rid of conference championship games or make the first round of playoffs the CCG. G5 schools can kick rocks and go do their own thing if they want.

Top 2 teams each from B1G, SEC, ACC, and B12. First round would be Indiana/OSU, Alabama/Georgia, Duke/Virginia, Texas Tech/BYU. This year the 2nd round would be Indiana/Duke, Georgia/Texas Tech.

If there's a team pissed off about not making the playoffs, get 1st or 2nd your f'n conference, Nancy.

Fans mad that Duke made the playoffs but Miami or ND or Oregon didn't? Welp, your team wasn't 2nd best in their conference so do better or kick rocks.
 




Fryowa said:
Nope.

It was a popularity contest with no real criteria decided by a committee. Might as well be a figure skating score when deciding between the 4th team and the 5th team.

They expanded to get rid of the ambiguity and subjectivity and still screwed it up.

Make it a P4 playoff with the top 2 conference finishers invited. Either get rid of conference championship games or make the first round of playoffs the CCG. G5 schools can kick rocks and go do their own thing if they want.

Top 2 teams each from B1G, SEC, ACC, and B12. First round would be Indiana/OSU, Alabama/Georgia, Duke/Virginia, Texas Tech/BYU. This year the 2nd round would be Indiana/Duke, Georgia/Texas Tech.

If there's a team pissed off about not making the playoffs, get 1st or 2nd your f'n conference, Nancy.

Fans mad that Duke made the playoffs but Miami or ND or Oregon didn't? Welp, your team wasn't 2nd best in their conference so do better or kick rocks.
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The sole purpose of a 4 team CFP was to crown the best college team the NC and it was doing just that. I don't need to see Ohio State or Georgia curb stomp a Duke just because they won the ACC. A game like that is not interesting to me. I did like the idea of these conference championship games being the first round of the playoffs but that will never happen because all these games are money grabs not because they make sense. There are many other ways to crown a NC that make more sense than the way they are doing it but, again, it's all about the money.
 


ssckelley said:
The sole purpose of a 4 team CFP was to crown the best college team the NC and it was doing just that. I don't need to see Ohio State or Georgia curb stomp a Duke just because they won the ACC. A game like that is not interesting to me. I did like the idea of these conference championship games being the first round of the playoffs but that will never happen because all these games are money grabs not because they make sense. There are many other ways to crown a NC that make more sense than the way they are doing it but, again, it's all about the money.
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A four team playoff is decided like a gymnastics score. No objectivity. There are arguments you can make for the #5-6 teams but what do they get left out?

You don’t want to see Ohio state beat Duke? Well at least Duke would’ve made it on set criteria. That’s the excitement leading up to the post season. It’s a race to see who makes it and you can follow the path from beginning to end. Now it’s just a bullshit deal where you have no idea outside 4 teams who’ll make it and you have to wait for the god committee to decide. Screw that.
 


I'm a firm believer that if expanding the playoffs the argument for inclusion moves the needle further from teams getting selected to compete for a national championship and teams getting selected because they deserve to be in the playoffs. They are not the same conversations and the latter, IMHO shouldn't be taking place at all.

Look at the teams whining about not getting in. Take ND for example, because they whine more than anyone else as is. In an expanded playoff picture like we have now, the argument is being made whether they deserve to be there over Bama. Not arguments about whether they'd contend for a NC, but whether or not they belong in the playoff equation. Expanding the playoffs doesn't do anything to improve the product or increase the number of legitimate championship contenders it simply addresses the teams and fanbases that feel "they deserve to be there". Think it's bad now? Try to imagine what it'd be like expanding the brackets, the whining would only get exponentially worse.
 


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