HomerChampless
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I still think this was KF's way of payback for CJ and family forcing KF to make CJ the starter (even though CJ was the better QB).
KF is an offensive genius
No? He's controlling, though.
Ed Cunningham quits mentions Iowa outback bowl
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KF is an offensive genius
No? He's controlling, though.Sometimes you have to take a young kid with too much confidence who thinks he is invincible, and tell him to sit on the bench. There are bigger things in life than the Outback Bowl. Especially after the interceptions, he could have even had a walk off the field moment for fans see the end of this Hawkeye career.
HomerChampless
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You're saying it was CJ's say whether he stayed in the game after his injury and his travails in the Outback Bowl?
IndianaHawk
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I have pondered the CJ in the third round surprise. His draft stock MIGHT have gone up with his display of not wanting to leave the game. Don't get me wrong, I think he should have gone out earlier, but this could have really impressed the 49ers.
BigD
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Just one of those brain fart moments, like punting from an opponents own thirty yard line. Or having Wisconsin at a desperate point in the game where they had to score and then letting them pull a fake punt on you. I guess you just gotta take the bad with the good when your a die hard Iowa fan.
SCHawkeye2
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I think anyone watching the game would agree:
- CJ was hurt to the point of danger
- CJ was ineffective
- The game was lost by halftime
- Even if the game was not lost, CJ would not be able to engineer a comeback
The question for everyone I was watching the game with was 'why is CJ still in the game?". We all attributed it the stubbornness and inflexibility of KF. Even if CJ wanted to stay in, KF should make the decision - based on the above realities.
Cunningham is right. That is how players get hurt. He is also correct to criticize the Iowa staff. What WERE they thinking?
SteveGarvey1
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It was CJ's last game for the University of Iowa and apparently he wanted to stay in the game to make it last as long as possible. KF made the wrong decision to keep him in but it was a tough decision for him and it's really easy for people to second-guess it now.
FirstDownHawkeyes
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Beyond the CJ specific comment by Cunningham, his overall message is prudent. My wife and I have talked about this very issue over the last several years. We go to all the home games and host a large tailgate for every home game, go to an away game or 2 every year and get to a bowl game when we can. We've been doing this for almost 15 years, but, knowing these kids endure hit after hit that for some is causing irreparable brain injury is unsettling and has made us evaluate of we can continue our level of support without a change. For now, it's just a consideration.
We will be there supporting full tilt on Saturday.
Go Hawks!
We will be there supporting full tilt on Saturday.
Go Hawks!
If I remember right it was only 10-3 at halftime so it was a game at that point. (it felt worse then that since our offense was terrible) But with like 14 mins to go in the 4th q it was 24-3 and it may as well of been 60-3. After that first possession of ours in the 4th q CJ should have been taken out... His stats were a whopping 7-23 passing with a whopping 55 yards and 3 ints... He was only sacked one time but was hit a ton...
I would add it's how players REALLY get hurt bad. CJ couldn't/wouldn't protect himself and wouldn't throw the ball away. Since receivers couldn't get open he stubbornly would hold on to it till he got popped over and over. It's up to the coaches to protect their players right?
I'd give it a little time. Coaches and players are much more aware now. It's not cool to stay in when you are hurt any more, especially your head. Coaches understand this. Referees should be trained what to watch for. They need more advanced helmets with sensor technology where it sets off a warning when a certain type of hit or accumulated hits take place. Limit practice contact. I could see them getting rid of kickoffs for sure. I don't understand why some states yet have not banned contact football prior to 9th grade. I am sure that is coming soon.
The deal with Tyler Sash was just a huge eye opener. And now we see Jake Knott doing uncharacteristic stuff. Whether he has an addiction or CTE who knows but probably was influenced heavily by football. Sure is love of the game but some is for the glory and "toughness". The toughness thing is what needs to stop. When you are hurt say so and get out if it is your head. Hopefully at Iowa since they have such a great hospital they have someone in neurology come and speak to the team about head injuries. Not to scare them but stressing not to hide them and sharing the latest research information.
I have a young son and I am pretty sure I won't allow football for him and I loved the sport and would have played every day if I could when I was young. have a lot of time to go yet but maybe change won't happen fast enough.
All of which is true. But due to the pressures of winning and the amount of money at stake I don't think that tide has turned.. We are still way more apt to see players left in too long rather then yanked from a game a snap too soon... KF I believe tried to say well CJ said he was fine and it'd be a doctors decision on if to take him out or not... To me that's passing the buck. Like going 7-23 with 50 yards passing wasn't reason enough... Be the coach that actually 'protects his players' like they all preach..
Thing is his was a muscle injury and not a bone, tendon, ligament or head problem. Pull someone automatically for a muscle pull?
Well they decide there are minimum standards to which they offer schollies to sorta don't they? If a QB is 5'9 168 and runs a 5.0 forty time they aren't going to take him regardless of his arm I bet right? If a qb can't move around out there and is just taking shots over and over he shouldn't be in there. This was a game where his stats verified what your eyes saw... He had no business being out there in the 4th q... Be it performance/heath or both..
hawkeyebob62
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I still think this was KF's way of payback for CJ and family forcing KF to make CJ the starter (even though CJ was the better QB).
KF is an offensive genius
By God, that's GOTTA be it
hawkeyebob62
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CJ got us through a ton of games in 2015. He wasn't exactly "spry" for most of the latter half of those. He played the Rose Bowl knowing full well he would be having off-season surgery.
In other words, "history" said he could handle "nagging" injuries. Still, he should have been pulled for the fourth quarter. But I wouldn't, if I was Ed Cunningham, compare that to a kid playing concussed. And if that is REALLY the reason he quit, he kinda lost his platform when he waited until now to do it.
Unless, of course...he's doing it now BECAUSE of recent news like CTE studies, etc.
In other words, "history" said he could handle "nagging" injuries. Still, he should have been pulled for the fourth quarter. But I wouldn't, if I was Ed Cunningham, compare that to a kid playing concussed. And if that is REALLY the reason he quit, he kinda lost his platform when he waited until now to do it.
Unless, of course...he's doing it now BECAUSE of recent news like CTE studies, etc.
They were teeing off at that point. Do you really think any QB put in there was going to avoid being hit? If your receivers are not getting open then what does it matter if you put in a new QB he is gonna get hit too so is that kid then in danger? Should we have just forfeited to avoid getting anyone hurt? maybe we should have called a timeout and went over to Florida and asked that they please stop hitting our QB.
Joshbrown
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I'm the biggest CJB fanboy there is and he was hurting Iowa by remaining out there. Kirk was hurting the team by keeping him out there. Weird how the coach apparently cared more about an individual than the fortunes of the team. That seems to be a recurring theme at Iowa . . . individuals are placed above the needs of the program. That's just dumb.
theboat
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I agree. I was yelling as much as anyone, but my point is that it was done out of respect. Wrong but I get it.
