Dotcherman: Ptl review and breakdown

At Siena 2009-10 (Fran's Fifth year)
9 players in double figure minutes
4 with more than 30 minutes/game
1 with more than 20 minutes
3 with more than 10 minutes
next player had less than 6 minutes/ game

The previous two years at Siena were similar, although the 2009-10 brought four returning senior starters. I personally would be surprised if there is a fundamental shift in Fran's pattern that no players getting 30 minutes.

http://www.hawkeyenation.com/forum/basketball/47155-minutes-game-next-year.html
 


conn53victor said:
At Siena 2009-10 (Fran's Fifth year)
9 players in double figure minutes
4 with more than 30 minutes/game
1 with more than 20 minutes
3 with more than 10 minutes
next player had less than 6 minutes/ game

The previous two years at Siena were similar, although the 2009-10 brought four returning senior starters. I personally would be surprised if there is a fundamental shift in Fran's pattern that no players getting 30 minutes.

http://www.hawkeyenation.com/forum/basketball/47155-minutes-game-next-year.html
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While I agree with you that it is unlikely at least 1 player will not get 30 minutes per game (Marble and White need at least 30 mpg) but you are comparing Fran coaching a mid major to coaching Iowa. I doubt Fran ever had enough talent at Siena to go 10 deep and I think his style of coaching would work best if he could go 10 to 12 deep.
 


ssckelley said:
While I agree with you that it is unlikely at least 1 player will not get 30 minutes per game (Marble and White need at least 30 mpg) but you are comparing Fran coaching a mid major to coaching Iowa. I doubt Fran ever had enough talent at Siena to go 10 deep and I think his style of coaching would work best if he could go 10 to 12 deep.
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I agree with you but going 12 deep would be hard. Playing 12 guys 10+ minutes (to me to be considered in the rotation you should be averaging 10 min or more) means that it is hard for them to get into the flow. I believe 10 man rotation is his ideal feeling. I think he will try to lean on 2 guys as 30 min guys. The rest will be between 15 and 25 min.

Mid Major teams tend to not have the depth that a bigger school does. This is why teams like UNI and Butler and such play such slow down games against the big schools. The guys that don't play for the big schools would likely play lots of minutes for a mid major. Though Fran probably ran just as much at Sienna as he will at Iowa he didn't have the depth and quality. He played 4 guys 30 minutes because he had to lean on those guys. And their backups were probably a big step down. The backups at Iowa will be almost if not as good as the starter. So what was a 30 min starter and a 10 min back up at Sienna is more like a 23 min starter and 17 min back up at Iowa.

I think Marble and White will be 30 min guys but if they aren't I would bet they are still at least 27 min guys.
 


CAARHawk said:
You have no idea of the pace Fran really wants to play at. In his perfect world, going 30 minutes would put you in bed for 2 days.
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That's absurd. You need your best players on the court. This is the Big FRIGGIN 10. I am willing to bet Wisconsin, Michigan, and Purdue are more solid with their 8-9-10 guys on the bench than we are.
 


conn53victor said:
At Siena 2009-10 (Fran's Fifth year)
9 players in double figure minutes
4 with more than 30 minutes/game
1 with more than 20 minutes
3 with more than 10 minutes
next player had less than 6 minutes/ game

The previous two years at Siena were similar, although the 2009-10 brought four returning senior starters. I personally would be surprised if there is a fundamental shift in Fran's pattern that no players getting 30 minutes.

http://www.hawkeyenation.com/forum/basketball/47155-minutes-game-next-year.html
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Not meaning to be a jerky-jerk but this only adds up to eight. Where's the ninth coming from?
 


OatesStache said:
That's absurd. You need your best players on the court. This is the Big FRIGGIN 10. I am willing to bet Wisconsin, Michigan, and Purdue are more solid with their 8-9-10 guys on the bench than we are.
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So your point being we're more talented in spots 1 through 5? The whole point of playing fast or playing slow is that you are playing a different style that is hard for the other team to simulate and prepare for when scouting.

Teams like Northwestern and Wisky are the best examples. Typically, playing slow lends itself more readily to this thinking. However, there have been glimpses: Wisky game 1, Dayton, Oregon 1st half, etc., where it is obvious the other team wasn't ready for our pace.

I guarantee Fran will try to build a rotation as big as 10 to start the season. Probably the odds are that will be trimmed down considerably, but it is possible it does not.
 


OatesStache said:
That's absurd. You need your best players on the court. This is the Big FRIGGIN 10. I am willing to bet Wisconsin, Michigan, and Purdue are more solid with their 8-9-10 guys on the bench than we are.
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I guess we'll see about that.

Iowas likely second team being
Clemmons,
Ogelsby,
May\Ingram
Basabe or McCabe
Olesani\Meyer

Is better than what Iowa was starting 2 years ago.

I dont think there are too many teams in the big10 deeper than Iowa this year.

I doubt Michigan is they haven't really been that talented outside of their stars, Purdue maybe, and Wisconsin never goes that deep anyway.

Iowa has actualy had less turnover than most in the conference since Frans been here.
 


conn53victor said:
At Siena 2009-10 (Fran's Fifth year)
9 players in double figure minutes
4 with more than 30 minutes/game
1 with more than 20 minutes
3 with more than 10 minutes
next player had less than 6 minutes/ game

The previous two years at Siena were similar, although the 2009-10 brought four returning senior starters. I personally would be surprised if there is a fundamental shift in Fran's pattern that no players getting 30 minutes.

http://www.hawkeyenation.com/forum/basketball/47155-minutes-game-next-year.html
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Good point. I do not see Marble getting less than 30 minutes. Probably White, too. They both just need to be on the floor as much as possible. I would say the same for Gesell, but the way Clemmons played the other night, it would be stupid to not have him on the floor. Of the rest, there are some that will get good minutes, but nowhere near 30 per.
 


RocknRollface said:
I guess we'll see about that.

Iowas likely second team being
Clemmons,
Ogelsby,
May\Ingram
Basabe or McCabe
Olesani\Meyer

Is better than what Iowa was starting 2 years ago.

I dont think there are too many teams in the big10 deeper than Iowa this year.

I doubt Michigan is they haven't really been that talented outside of their stars, Purdue maybe, and Wisconsin never goes that deep anyway.

Iowa has actualy had less turnover than most in the conference since Frans been here.
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Unfortunately, basketball is a game where you when when you have the best individuals, not the best depth. I am not saying that it is a bad thing, it just isn't a huge difference maker.
 


OatesStache said:
Unfortunately, basketball is a game where you when when you have the best individuals, not the best depth. I am not saying that it is a bad thing, it just isn't a huge difference maker.
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When you want to play a fast-paced game, you can't play just 7-8 guys. You want to see a difference maker? Try an 8-man rotation, press consistently, and then see how that team looks in the last 10 minutes of the game.

You want your best players on the floor as much as possible, but "as possible" is relative to your style of play. If you play Butler/Wisky slow, 35 minutes isn't as big a deal as it is if you play a fast tempo game on both ends of the floor.
 


I hate saying I want someone to redshirt. But selfishly, I want Meyer to RS. For the team, it is best. For him individually, it is best. That way he will have two years without Olesani. Meyer will be the star his last year... I am sure we will have other big men, but Meyer will have the experience. And he has the skills.

Can he add to the team this year? Yes, I think so. But I want him around after Gabe & Woody are gone. Having a year to bulk up wouldn't hurt either.
 
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dmShortSaledude said:
I saying I want someone to redshirt. But selfishly, I want Meyer to RS. For the team, it is best. For him individually, it is best. That way he will have two years without Olesani. Meyer will be the star his last year... I am sure we will have other big men, but Meyer will have the experience. And he has the skills.

Can he add to the team this year? Yes, I think so. But I want him around after Gabe & Woody are gone. Having a year to bulk up wouldn't hurt either.
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Having five players graduate the same year would make this a reasonable point....

:)
 




tksirius said:
From everything I've read, Meyer doesn't need any 'bulking up'
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He definitely has Attitude like Aaron White and is rather beastly, Tk.....

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQKbTKX1Hh4&hd=1]Kyle Meyer go coast to coast posterizing Jacob Obande - YouTube[/ame]

Love this clip.....

:D
 


That is a sweet play. It will be nice to see what more he will do in the coming years.

Having Meyer, Olesani, Uthoff, Woody, Basabe, McCabe and White in the front court will be tough for just about any team to handle. Except for maybe the teams with those huge tanks in the middle...although we should have the quickness (and fouls) to handle it.
 


dmShortSaledude said:
That is a sweet play. It will be nice to see what more he will do in the coming years.

Having Meyer, Olesani, Uthoff, Woody, Basabe, McCabe and White in the front court will be tough for just about any team to handle. Except for maybe the teams with those huge tanks in the middle...although we should have the quickness (and fouls) to handle it.
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I really want to see the Hawks pay MSU for their nasty game in Lansing. We might have the troops to pull it off this year. I personally believe we will spank the spartans.....
 


jacknicholson said:
I really want to see the Hawks pay MSU for their nasty game in Lansing. We might have the troops to pull it off this year. I personally believe we will spank the spartans.....
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We wont have the defense to hang with the Big boys next year.
 








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