Dolph calls out students on pre game show!!

[doughudd]

Wow. You haven't been to many basketball games at CHA, have you? Get yourself a couple of tickets in the middle rows, take a friend that like to stand and cheer, then get back to us with how many times you've been told to sit down. You'll need more than 1 hand to keep count.

Never in the last 10 years, MM row 24.

 

[doughudd]

I was at the game yesterday and usually have gone to a couple each year the last 5-7 years or so. Just a few of my observations. I have been to KU and Hilton so try to compare to those environments some.

Overall I thought the regular crowd was pretty good and engaged in the game, the TV timeouts and stoppages always kill the crowd noise and momentum at the worst times. I hate the TV timeouts in bball, just makes the game too choppy and wish they'd change it.

The video boards are awful and don't work half the time, stats on the boards are poor and very limited to points and fouls. I can never get cell reception and the arena needs wifi badly. I don't understand why they can't figure out how to get a big square scoreboard/video in the center of the arena. I had perhaps the coldest 5 min walk of my life to the arena and after the game we sat in car without even moving for over 30 min. Took about an hour to get out of lot and to the highway.

Whatever the reason, we can argue all day about it, but IMHO our student section is one of the weakest around. I haven't been to a game where are students ever come close to those of the other arenas I mentioned. They sounded like they were doing a half-hearted weak moan most of the game while we were on D. No really creative chants, LOTS of empty seats, didn't see any creative signs really or coordination of any kind... they need some leadership or some of us old guys to show them a few things!
I would love to have them around the court and it needs to happen. BUT, and a big "BUT", they need to show up in force if given this opportunity ever or it should be taken away. I think the big donors would be fine with it and could still be accommodated if it adds to the environment.

Just my 2 cents. We need to turn Carver into a place that no one wants to come play in and have a crowd that "wills" the team to victory on nights they might not have their best game.

Carver does have WiFi, I use. Takes some time to get the connection screen and click the accept button.

 

[doughudd]

Doesn't Duke and MSU have donors as well? Why doesn't it not matter to them?

It was discussed on here one time that the carver layout could be redone basically like the Pit in New Mexico, which I think would be awesome.

Wow how can anybody even ask that question. Compare all threes basketball history and stop a moment and think.

 

[lightning1]

Never in the last 10 years, MM row 24.

.....so, you must be one of the people telling others to sit down?

 

[BryceC]

At ISU the student season tickets don't cover break games. Is it the same at Iowa? There isn't a student section for break games and it's all just random people who buy tickets.

 

[tm3308]

It's not a good excuse. And I understand that a lot of other schools do it the same way Iowa does. But for whatever reason, they are not coming! So maybe it's time to up our game and give the students something to be excited about. Or we can sit here year after year and complain about it. The definition of insanity?

If providing the students with a top-10 team hosting another of the Big Ten's best programs isn't enough to do the trick, then **** them. They've been offered a damn big carrot this year with this team, but it seems they'd prefer getting beaten with the stick. They shouldn't get the best seats in the house just because they can't be bothered to provide an intimidating environment and a handful of the nation's elite programs put the students in the lowest seats. The Dukes, MSU's, etc. of the world do that because there's exceptionally high demand for it. The Izzone was about 50x louder, consistently, when Sparty was down by 20 to Iowa, than Iowa's students ever got during the Michigan game for any length of time. I have a very hard time believing that changing the seating arrangement will have any meaningful impact on that.

 

[tm3308]

At ISU the student season tickets don't cover break games. Is it the same at Iowa? There isn't a student section for break games and it's all just random people who buy tickets.

Iowa's student season tickets do cover break games. It was all students in that section against Michigan and that's how it was when I graduated in 2013, so I assume it hasn't changed.

 

[lightning1]

If providing the students with a top-10 team hosting another of the Big Ten's best programs isn't enough to do the trick, then **** them. They've been offered a damn big carrot this year with this team, but it seems they'd prefer getting beaten with the stick. They shouldn't get the best seats in the house just because they can't be bothered to provide an intimidating environment and a handful of the nation's elite programs put the students in the lowest seats. The Dukes, MSU's, etc. of the world do that because there's exceptionally high demand for it. The Izzone was about 50x louder, consistently, when Sparty was down by 20 to Iowa, than Iowa's students ever got during the Michigan game for any length of time. I have a very hard time believing that changing the seating arrangement will have any meaningful impact on that.

I don't know if it will or not but I think it would. You have to engage young people to get them involved. If you treat them like an after thought, they'll walk away. As much competition as the AD has for the disposable income of the average fan, the average student has far less disposable income and more competition for their time. The reason that Duke and MSU get the student response that they do is because the students feel like their efforts effect the outcome of the game! They feel like part of the team.
I don't expect the Iowa AD to make this change. They are as out of touch with the average fan as an AD can possibly be. I am simply offering a solution to get more students to the game.

 

[ssckelley]

I don't know if it will or not but I think it would. You have to engage young people to get them involved. If you treat them like an after thought, they'll walk away. As much competition as the AD has for the disposable income of the average fan, the average student has far less disposable income and more competition for their time. The reason that Duke and MSU get the student response that they do is because the students feel like their efforts effect the outcome of the game! They feel like part of the team.
I don't expect the Iowa AD to make this change. They are as out of touch with the average fan as an AD can possibly be. I am simply offering a solution to get more students to the game.

Do the students that attend the Iowa State games have more money? The seats they get in Hilton are not any better than what students get in CHA.

 

[tm3308]

I don't know if it will or not but I think it would. You have to engage young people to get them involved. If you treat them like an after thought, they'll walk away. As much competition as the AD has for the disposable income of the average fan, the average student has far less disposable income and more competition for their time. The reason that Duke and MSU get the student response that they do is because the students feel like their efforts effect the outcome of the game! They feel like part of the team.
I don't expect the Iowa AD to make this change. They are as out of touch with the average fan as an AD can possibly be. I am simply offering a solution to get more students to the game.

The ONLY way I would bring moving the students closer to the floor like Duke/MSU/etc. into the discussion is if the AD offered it up as a carrot on a stick. Incentivize making noise by telling the students that, if they go hard enough over the next two years (so that at least half of the students would actually see the benefit), it will be something that's seriously considered. Something along those lines, maybe. But don't just give it to them because they can't be bothered to get into the game as it stands right now. Make them get into it first.

 

[bogeyman]

The ONLY way I would bring moving the students closer to the floor like Duke/MSU/etc. into the discussion is if the AD offered it up as a carrot on a stick. Incentivize making noise by telling the students that, if they go hard enough over the next two years (so that at least half of the students would actually see the benefit), it will be something that's seriously considered. Something along those lines, maybe. But don't just give it to them because they can't be bothered to get into the game as it stands right now. Make them get into it first.

Good point, might be the best option to dangle the carrot vs. just handing it to them.
Bottom line is the students are being called out! No more excuses. Some of them don't like us questioning them, including some on this board, well... prove us wrong and show up loud and proud and get your act together!

 

[doughudd]

.....so, you must be one of the people telling others to sit down?

No I'm the one that doesn't repeat the same story they heard from ten years ago.

Next tell us how Barta and Mason killed football tailgating.

 

[doughudd]

I don't know if it will or not but I think it would. You have to engage young people to get them involved. If you treat them like an after thought, they'll walk away. As much competition as the AD has for the disposable income of the average fan, the average student has far less disposable income and more competition for their time. The reason that Duke and MSU get the student response that they do is because the students feel like their efforts effect the outcome of the game! They feel like part of the team.
I don't expect the Iowa AD to make this change. They are as out of touch with the average fan as an AD can possibly be. I am simply offering a solution to get more students to the game.

You think. Lol. Free pizza and bus rides to the game didn't help either. They had their shot and it passed.

They gave them 20 some seats on the court for the early birds.

 

[lightning1]

Do the students that attend the Iowa State games have more money? The seats they get in Hilton are not any better than what students get in CHA.

There is not as much competition for their time and money! It's Ames! Their football team sucks every year. Basketball is all they have.
Not all venues and college towns are created equal. Nor should they all be treated the same!
Northwestern could try every promotion known to mankind but they won't ever play in front of sell out crowds for their sports. Way too many professional options for sports fans. Etc.

 

[lightning1]

You think. Lol. Free pizza and bus rides to the game didn't help either. They had their shot and it passed.

They gave them 20 some seats on the court for the early birds.

Then stop complaining about them. Stop "calling them out". If they had their chance and blew it, so be it.

 

[OmaHawk13]

The one thing I've always hated about CHA is the lack of a jumbotron like most "big time" arenas have. Kind of makes the sound system subpar compared to other arenas I've attended (MSU, Wisc, Neb, ISU). CHA is great and all but it's very "old school" for how "new" it is. No upper decks, no levels, just a giant bowl, with small video screens at the very top corner. Also, student seating sucks. Attendance is bad so you don't want that on TV but I've always thought it was awesome when student seating is right behind press row so thats the majority of what you see on TV. Don't understand why more schools don't do that.

 

[lightning1]

No I'm the one that doesn't repeat the same story they heard from ten years ago.

Next tell us how Barta and Mason killed football tailgating.

I've been going to Iowa basketball games since before CHA opened. All different parts of the arena. If you aren't discussing the same story from 10 years ago (students not being present) then you must be new to the board. Since you've only been going to games for 10 years, I'll enlighten you. Alfraud used to beg students for more support. The last 5 years of Davis's era was getting thinner too.

 

[lightning1]

The ONLY way I would bring moving the students closer to the floor like Duke/MSU/etc. into the discussion is if the AD offered it up as a carrot on a stick. Incentivize making noise by telling the students that, if they go hard enough over the next two years (so that at least half of the students would actually see the benefit), it will be something that's seriously considered. Something along those lines, maybe. But don't just give it to them because they can't be bothered to get into the game as it stands right now. Make them get into it first.

That's a good idea but half of the student body wont even be here in 2 years.

 

[tm3308]

That's a good idea but half of the student body wont even be here in 2 years.

I know, but I feel like one year isn't long enough and 3 years would get next to zero response.

 

[blkngldFRO]

They need to do something break or not. Up in Ames they got kids camping out in 15 degree weather to go to a game 3 days away.

I have long felt that if a student wants to go to any game they shouldn’t have to pay. You have to limit the tickets, but they are paying enough money to the collage and while in school sporting events should be free. Heck give them a free cone while you’re at it!