Do you think NIL will ever see a salary cap or some unionized structuring going on?

HaydenHawk56

HaydenHawk56

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1.8 million to sign and 800,000 per year to play for Georgia...incoming 5 star player.

Some of these kids, with this type of money, could cash in their chips in 1 year only........do bare minimum work in the classroom during their season....and call it a day.......or buy their time and hit the pros if they are good enough.

Good for the players, but this has to be a nightmare for coaches and the universities that don't have the deep pockets. Even deep pocket Ohio St could not compete with Georgia here.

I wonder how that veteran player is feeling (who busted their ass in the program for a few years) not even coming close to sniffing out that type of money. What locker room dynamics begin to look like without league minimums and a pretty much total free market approach?

Hell, that kid is likely making more money that most if not all of the position coaches.

College is definitely a semi-pro league....and the money and incentives are only going to keep going up without regulation.
 
A salary cap would violate antitrust law. It ain't gonna happen. The flagship programs in huge population states are going to have the pick of the litter. Get used to it and just cross your fingers that we can keep local guys home and continue to get loyalty guys like Epenesa.
 
How do you put a cap on capitalism? I say that because the payments are all agreements with 3rd parties and the individuals. Yes collectives are dolling it out in an equal way but they aren't the schools. It's technically not 'pay for play' (even though it is) It'd be like the movie industry saying there's a cap on how much the Rock can make. He'd win that lawsuit every time if somehow they tried to do that I bet. So no I don't see that happening.
 
I think you will see a lot of these players that are getting the big bucks will fail because they are disincentivized to keep working hard. Then I think you will see collectives pull back on some of these big $$ contracts. Also, schools will start to receive less donations directly to the schools for facilities and programs for athletes. It will take maybe a decade to work itself out but it will settle into a more organized process.
 
HaydenHawk56 said:

1.8 million to sign and 800,000 per year to play for Georgia...incoming 5 star player.

Some of these kids, with this type of money, could cash in their chips in 1 year only........do bare minimum work in the classroom during their season....and call it a day.......or buy their time and hit the pros if they are good enough.

Good for the players, but this has to be a nightmare for coaches and the universities that don't have the deep pockets. Even deep pocket Ohio St could not compete with Georgia here.

I wonder how that veteran player is feeling (who busted their ass in the program for a few years) not even coming close to sniffing out that type of money. What locker room dynamics begin to look like without league minimums and a pretty much total free market approach?

Hell, that kid is likely making more money that most if not all of the position coaches.

College is definitely a semi-pro league....and the money and incentives are only going to keep going up without regulation.
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Look at the source twitter account you quoted. This isn't journalism, it's a low-rent twitter hack trying to get clicks and it's working.

I'd need to see a report from someone credible before I believed it.

Even says in his bio he's a parody account.

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Fryowa said:
Look at the source twitter account you quoted. This isn't journalism, it's a low-rent twitter hack trying to get clicks and it's working.

I'd need to see a report from someone credible before I believed it.
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So him paying $8 for the blue checkmark doesn't do it for ya? I kid I kid. Yeah same here. It's just damn near impossible to believe any of the numbers being randomly tossed around on twitter
 
Hawkboys said:
I think you will see a lot of these players that are getting the big bucks will fail because they are disincentivized to keep working hard. Then I think you will see collectives pull back on some of these big $$ contracts. Also, schools will start to receive less donations directly to the schools for facilities and programs for athletes. It will take maybe a decade to work itself out but it will settle into a more organized process.
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The NBA in the early 90's?

There are a lot of consideration, such as the one you mentioned. It has been insinuated that Iowa has been slow to respond to this new era in college sports, and I think that is probably true. But I also think some of the programs that started throwing crazy money around without thinking about the unintended consequences are going to have some regrets.

NIL is enormously impactful, and you need a plan. But if that plan gives no thought to sustainability, to non-monetary incentives, and to program culture, your NIL efforts are going to backfire. The programs that are taking care of those considerations are going to be there to scoop up your disappointed players.
 
How does a school from a low population state and no Phil Knight (or similar rabid alumnus) keep up? Is there an avenue to grow the collective pot to a competitive level?
 
okeefe4prez said:
A salary cap would violate antitrust law. It ain't gonna happen. The flagship programs in huge population states are going to have the pick of the litter. Get used to it and just cross your fingers that we can keep local guys home and continue to get loyalty guys like Epenesa.
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Curious, how do they get by with it in the pros then....having a salary cap? I do get the schools are technically not the ones paying these collective out....third parties....but the NCAA regulated this stuff before....just wondering if the genie would ever go back in the bottle if this money arms race does not die down and only gets more and more expensive to get players in the door.

Personally, I don't think the genie will go back in the bottle though. At least not for a long time if ever.
 
You can say I am old and living in the past because I am not sold on NIL. Or, you can believe me when I say that I have been around long enough to observe some crazy, outlandish shit. Your call, Hawk fans.
 
These large seven figure deals make headlines. However they are few. The vast preponderence of NIL deals are modes and probably less than an entry level salary for a maketing major.

What we don't always know is the strucure and terms. How much is guarnteed, how much is year 1, year 2 etc etc. The superstar players don't stay in college for 4-5 years.
 
HaydenHawk56 said:
Curious, how do they get by with it in the pros then....having a salary cap? I do get the schools are technically not the ones paying these collective out....third parties....but the NCAA regulated this stuff before....just wondering if the genie would ever go back in the bottle if this money arms race does not die down and only gets more and more expensive to get players in the door.

Personally, I don't think the genie will go back in the bottle though. At least not for a long time if ever.
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The pros all have a union and a collective bargaining agreement. A union is by definition a cartel that seeks to restrain the availability of labor and the Sherman Act has a specific exclusion for unions in Section 17. The courts have added a bunch of "nonstatutory exceptions" and where you have a heavy negotiation like the pro league CBAs and a good business reason for the contents of the CBA you're in the clear on antitrust laws.

The genie can't get back in the bottle because the Supreme Court told the NCAA that their old salary cap (which was $0) was a violation of the antitrust laws. The NCAA has lost a few landmark antitrust cases so I can't imagine them doing anything else because these cases now cost damned near 9 figures to litigate. The legal fees run 7 figures a month for years.
 
It's impossible for the establishment of a cap on NIL dollars. If you were the CEO of Coca Cola and wanted to sponsor an athlete you could. The agreement is between the CEO and the individual. The CEO might stipulate which university is acceptable as part of the deal. When it comes to the University there is the matter of admissions and scholarship dollars. Should an athlete receive scholarship dollars if he or she is making $100K or more from NIL? If he does not get a scholarship then does he count toward the scholarship limit of 85 used by football?

I guess my point is that the Universities can control admissions and eligibility criteria for scholarships. They cannot cap the NIL dollars but they can control who is admitted and who is allowed to participate. It probably wrong on my part but there are some pretty lax rules for admission being used for sake of a winning football and basketball program. Whether or not the Universities can agree on standards for player eligibility and program size is unknown.
 
eyekwah said:
It's impossible for the establishment of a cap on NIL dollars. If you were the CEO of Coca Cola and wanted to sponsor an athlete you could. The agreement is between the CEO and the individual. The CEO might stipulate which university is acceptable as part of the deal. When it comes to the University there is the matter of admissions and scholarship dollars. Should an athlete receive scholarship dollars if he or she is making $100K or more from NIL? If he does not get a scholarship then does he count toward the scholarship limit of 85 used by football?

I guess my point is that the Universities can control admissions and eligibility criteria for scholarships. They cannot cap the NIL dollars but they can control who is admitted and who is allowed to participate. It probably wrong on my part but there are some pretty lax rules for admission being used for sake of a winning football and basketball program. Whether or not the Universities can agree on standards for player eligibility and program size is unknown.
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Correct. The schools can emulate other leagues and probably get away with forbidding things like alcohol promotion, but that's prolly about the extent of it. The NBA can't tell Michael Jordan "you, xir, may not get more than $5 million from Nike."
 
I see we just added a another member to the coaching staff, recruiting staff in particular is how it is being introduced. With NIL/Portal we're probably realizing we can't have enough bodies out there meeting with potential additions. Will be interesting to see if recruiting is his only job description.

OL experience too..........interesting.
 
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