Did you guys catch Molly Davis got slapped in the stomach and face and nothing called?

HaydenHawk56 said:
Molly getting slapped by Trash Queen, Kimmy on the court, and Trash Queen stalking Clark should absolutely be called out though. When player safety is an issue that should not be tolerated.
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I can see the slap being a player safety issue, but think your reaching with "Kimmy being on the court" and "the stalking". Could Kim have been T'd up? Possibly, but generally we don't see every coach who makes their way onto the floor getting T'd up so I don't have a major problem with that. And the "stalking" while distasteful and possibly uncalled for doesn't put any players at risk. The fact is that it happened against our girls and the outcome of the game was painful already. I'm not a fan of that sort of thing, but I think it's a stretch to be so outraged about it when the players involved weren't as put off by it.

I just think it makes our fanbase look petty, being up in arms about it on a national level and think we should be better than that. Let LSU and their fanbase portray themselves however they want. TBH all I care about is our beloved Hawkeyes and how close they came to making history. They kept their heads high and represented the program, the university and their fanbase like they always have and to me, that's all that matters.
 
#1DieHardHawk said:
My wife got mad at me during the game when I said that the refs were bad both ways. Sometimes my objectivity gets me in marriage jail... :cool:

The difference in the game is that LSU had substantially better depth so could withstand the foul trouble much better than us. At the end of the day, that was the difference. I have a feeling that we are going to see some depth coming in during the off-season.

That said, a veteran official that understands the nuances of the game, would have ignored the ball-flip by Clark in the heat of the moment. It may not always seem fair, but you simply don't force stars of the game to the bench unless it's something glaring.

It reminds me of something Charles Barkley said during an NBA game. Someone on the set lamented that the stars get "protected," and Charles said something to the effect of, "Damn right they do, and they should!"
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I'm not saying they should or shouldn't, but at the same time some are furious that Kim got away with the Izzo treatment and didn't get her T. I don't think you can have it both ways. In my opinion regardless of it being a championship or any tournament game for that matter I think there should be consistency. My problem isn't so much that mentality of whether players should/shouldn't get protected, but rather the fact that championships/tournament should be officiated the same as a regular season game. If were going to let the physical play dictate the way the games called in the tournament then it should be that way all season and I'm not sure either of our programs would benefit from that.
 
kicker22 said:
I'm not saying they should or shouldn't, but at the same time some are furious that Kim got away with the Izzo treatment and didn't get her T. I don't think you can have it both ways. In my opinion regardless of it being a championship or any tournament game for that matter I think there should be consistency. My problem isn't so much that mentality of whether players should/shouldn't get protected, but rather the fact that championships/tournament should be officiated the same as a regular season game. If were going to let the physical play dictate the way the games called in the tournament then it should be that way all season and I'm not sure either of our programs would benefit from that.
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I go back and forth on that as well. I will say, that for everytime a star player gets away with something during a game, there are probably 20 other examples where they were fouled with no call.

The star players get extra defensive attention every game. If fouls were always called "by the book," Jordan would have had half the opposing team fouling out by halftime. Shaq is probably an even better example. People used to whine about him forcing his way to the basket - and they technically were right - but at the same time the officials ignored the constant grabbing of him by those same opposing players who desperately were at a loss trying to guard him.

Consistency is no doubt important, but the best officials also know how to manage the nuances of the game and also understand the "moment."
 
kicker22 said:
I can see the slap being a player safety issue, but think your reaching with "Kimmy being on the court" and "the stalking". Could Kim have been T'd up? Possibly, but generally we don't see every coach who makes their way onto the floor getting T'd up so I don't have a major problem with that. And the "stalking" while distasteful and possibly uncalled for doesn't put any players at risk. The fact is that it happened against our girls and the outcome of the game was painful already. I'm not a fan of that sort of thing, but I think it's a stretch to be so outraged about it when the players involved weren't as put off by it.

I just think it makes our fanbase look petty, being up in arms about it on a national level and think we should be better than that. Let LSU and their fanbase portray themselves however they want. TBH all I care about is our beloved Hawkeyes and how close they came to making history. They kept their heads high and represented the program, the university and their fanbase like they always have and to me, that's all that matters.
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She should be charged with assault.
 
#1DieHardHawk said:
I go back and forth on that as well. I will say, that for everytime a star player gets away with something during a game, there are probably 20 other examples where they were fouled with no call.

The star players get extra defensive attention every game. If fouls were always called "by the book," Jordan would have had half the opposing team fouling out by halftime. Shaq is probably an even better example. People used to whine about him forcing his way to the basket - and they technically were right - but at the same time the officials ignored the constant grabbing of him by those same opposing players who desperately were at a loss trying to guard him.

Consistency is no doubt important, but the best officials also know how to manage the nuances of the game and also understand the "moment."
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Good take. I guess my thoughts go back to the premise that a game should be called the same in the first 5 minutes as it would in the last. That's the consistency I want and would like to see all the time. I hate the mentality and time tested complaint of the "you're never going to get that call late in a game" mentality. If it's a foul early in the game it's still a foul at the end of the game and should be called as such.
 
HaydenHawk56 said:
100%

Obviously Iowa was not quite good enough to overcome the incompetent, biased, officiating.....but in the Championship Game.....you would think you would get championship level officiating. It was as trashy as Mulkey and her players.....who....in this case....did act like insecure thugs.....doing everything but coming right out and saying they won this for black people. See Angel's comments...."This is for all the people who look like me."

It is sad between the SC coach and LSU they made this game about race. Let's be honest about that.

I also think the SEC vs Big Ten thing was also on full display. Which, if we are honest, is somewhat code for race as well....even though the Big Ten teams have diversity. There is this thought process that the SEC is more athletic, faster, etc. I think they got chippy about Iowa taking out several of their members leading up to this game.

I will be even more frank going back to Angel's comments.....to me I don't think they liked it at all that the white girls from Iowa were getting the spotlight....despite Iowa having diversity on their team. But, because most of Iowa's players are white and theirs are black.....I think they went there and took it personal.

Imagine if Clark and won and said what Angel said. She would need security for awhile where she walks as a certain community would be up in arms.
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You kicked some ass with this post, Hayden.
 
HuckFinn said:
You kicked some ass with this post, Hayden.
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Thanks. I just feel it did not need be sugar-coated. They went there with the race stuff and totally ruined the moment...not only for them....but for the respect and accomplishments Iowa had throughout this year and their tournament run. It was a big stage for women's sports and it was spoiled.
 
Fryowa said:
If I go back to almost any game thread you've participated in, MBB, WBB, Football...you complain about calls being skewed against Iowa. You never bring up calls or no calls that go our way. If you can't see it in the USC game I don't know what to tell you. I'm almost compelled to go back and rewatch it to give you timestamps. It wasn't just me either. Lots of media people brought it up how they were letting both teams play and lots of stuff wasn't getting called. But you ignore that, right?

Ok, maybe I'll clarify it. You think Iowa is the only team who gets screwed in an Iowa game.
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What are you even talking about here? You say in your post they were letting both teams play during the South Carolina game. Why would someone call that out?
 
Northside Hawk said:
I have no issue with any part of the officiating except the Clark T.

The game itself, it was evident by the second quarter they were calling it tight because it was moving too fast for them and they were afraid of losing complete control over it.

But to T Caitlin up after all the crap they were letting Kim Izzo get away with on the bench? Sorry, wrong, wrong, wrong.

If Clark's T was by the book, then Mulkey should have been shown the door before halftime. She wasn't just repeatedly put of the box, she was physically impeding the official as she was trying to do her job.
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This is my problem w/ the official's explanation of the call after the game. I can not find the quote but to summarize the official said iowa was given a warning in the 3rd qtr for not giving the ball straight to the official after a made basket. Then stated the rule from the rule book. Well, if they indeed warned Iowa for that and had not warned Mulkey for continuing to go out on the court then they failed miserably. Can't enforce one rule and at the same time ignore another. Not sure what it looked like on the broadcast but in person it was so obvious and blatant in regards to Mulkey being on the floor. Iowa was in the mist of a 15-2 run when the T was called. The arena was FREAKIN insane at this point. Absolutely electric. ALL the momentum on iowa's side and then the T happened and Clark got her 4th foul. That horrible call took all the wind out of the entire arena and stopped the run. Would iowa have won had that called not been made? Doubtful. However it does not change the fact it is possibly one of the worst calls i've ever witness and the explanation from the official after the game only made it worse IMO.
 
Clark coming up with the Cena celebration is the same thing as throwing up 3 fingers after making the 3. It's a quick celebration with your team while running back down the court. Reece mocked Clark after the game was over for a ridiculous amount of time. If she would have done it during the game after she made a play I would have legit laughed out loud about it. People saying they are the same thing just because it was the same hand wave in the face are idiots.

I saw someone on Twitter make a good analogy. When Clark did the Cena, it was like a touchdown celebration, which is allowed. When Reece did it, it was in the face taunting of a player. NFL players haven't gotten away with something like that in a couple decades probably. Again, if you can't see the difference between a touchdown celebration with teammates and taunting an opponent, you're an idiot.
 
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