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NikeHawk21
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My post has very little to do with McCarron and I never mentioned his speed. I'm fine with him being the starter but my belief is that if Smith is the next best guy he should be next in line for all three spots whether it be to rotate in or fill in if someone gets hurt. Maybe he can't learn all three spots I don't know, just seems unwise to pigeon hole him at one position.
That's not what you said. Go back and read it. The 'top' guys ARE on the field together. You think Smith is a 'top' guy over McCarron. That's what you said. And some of these great athletes aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer (I'm not saying Smith isn't) and it takes some a while longer than others to grasp some things, so they need to get really good at one.....
HuckFinn
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I would love to see some comments on the quality of the current freshman class in terms of the recruiting ranking when they came on board. Given that a lot of frosh are in the mix MAY mean that the class was really good. If the 2017 class turns out to be as strong as predicted, that would be two in a row. Interesting.
Yea we might be really good for awhile.
trj
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It is 2016, if a frosh can contribute, you play them. The days of frosh equals an automatic redshirt are over. That old school way of thinking has softened. By necessity or kids are just so much more ready/prepared than they have ever been before? I really do not have the answer to that.
deanvogs
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The staff has always been open to it, and usually plays 3-4 Fr. each year. I think this year they just have more kids that are ready to come in and play right away. A couple positions because of need, a couple because they are just that good. It means the recruiting has really picked up, something I've been saying for a year and a half as the staff was pulling in this current class. I remember going round and round with idiots like IowaLaw who were bashing players calling them 3* nobody wanted, etc. Welp look at them now, Stanley is on the 2 line with Weigers, Young is gonna play WR, Lattimore will be getting DT reps, you got Jones, Rubamba and Hooker in the secondary who are gonna contribute. Anyone with 1/2 a brain could see that class was shaping up to be a good one. The best part is, the kids most highly sought afters (Toks, Neimann, Taylor, Fant) are all gonna be solid guys as well. Lots of upside to the '16 recruiting class.
WinOneThisCentury
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Can you win the B10 with 7 white guys starting on defense? Has that been done before...just curious. And don't go back to the '57 or '58 team either. All I can hear is the pundits saying "they play smart and are always in position, and it compensates for their lack of athleticism."
Quote from coach Parker about Snyder:
“If I’m meeting with a kid, I really don’t care about their stars. I have no idea what their stars are and I really don’t care. But I do care about what kind of kid he is, what kind of character he is,” he said.
Desmond King and Josey Jewell, arguably Iowa’s two best defensive players going into 2016, were lightly regarded prospects as high school seniors. Neither guy held another Power 5 scholarship offer.
I've tried explaining this for years to these dolt 'fans' who have been 'suckered in' with this 'star' thing. I keep trying to explain to them that most of the coaches don't know or care about 'stars' (which site should they listen to, lol). They don't need some supposedly guru analyst telling them if someone is 'talented' or not. The 'star' system is nothing but an entertainment venue to entice foolish fans to throw their money away on one of 'their' sites. Nothing more, nothing less! You can show these cretins quotes of coaches saying this over and over (like the above quote), but once fools buy into a 'belief system', they have a hard time letting go............
WinOneThisCentury
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So, If I understand what you are saying, then Alabama's class is pretty much the same as our recruiting class because you can just remove the stars. I'd like their class if we get to choose. I think you are taking their assessment of a particular class of athlete, and applying it across the board. I believe they are saying there are kids that get overlooked either due to size, speed, or playing in a small school "class" in a state not known for football players...but they have the potential to be great players....and character and work ethic play a huge role in that development. I'm pretty sure we would sign all the four star and 5 star guys we could get, but the character would have to be a component also.
WinOneThisCentury
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Icke, you really are stupid. You see everything black and white....no colors. Just for grins and giggles, let's say someone is making fun of the media with their post, and doesn't really believe what he's implying.
trj
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I do not follow recruiting that closely so I do not know the back story on these kids. Right now, the future looks really good I am excited about Iowa football. Side note, watching this IMG/Grayson game on TV, holy smokes, these kids already look the part.
NikeHawk21
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My original post I was talking about if McCarron got hurt guy...
I did mention in parenthesis that Smith's probably one of our top guys, I'll stand by that, just my opinion from what I saw between him and Riley last year.
God, you guys are just so dense. You just don't get it and I guess there's just no way to explain it to you
hawkjunkie
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Kids are a LOT more prepared these days. There is significant information on training right at your finger tips anymore. You can find everything you need on training and techniques on the interwebs.
You no longer have to be from a 4A high school to know what it takes to develop yourself. You can be from Cornfield, IA playing 8 man ball and still know how to build your body up to what it needs to be.
Supplements, training, proper routines, etc are a click away. Kids (and their coaches) know more than ever. Definitely more than 20, 30+ years ago. It is all about building yourself up physically. That and camps provide a lot of information on training and techniques as well.
Kennyfromminne
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Your grandiose personality is too much for me. You're not god and you don't know everything.
Which comes first the 5* recruits or the winning record to entice a 5* recruits to come to your program?
In Iowa's case it's the latter. Fans need to face that reality. KF came to that simple conclusion long ago and decided his best chance at winning enough games to get a few top recruits in the door, is build a program with what you can get. Take a bunch of good football players with a lot of desire, mix in the few 4 and 5* players he can get, and try and mold them into a team that can win football games. I have been very critical of KF at times, but I do realize this fact and the very difficult position he is in as far as getting the top HS players in the country to come to Iowa. And if you think KF wants just any old 5* recruit just because some recruiting service says he is. Quit dreaming and get with the program.
Every once in a while, the stars (no pun intended) line up for him and Iowa has a very solid season. Last year for example. Look people, enjoy the ride and hope he can keep this thing going for a few years and keep some of those 4 and 5* recruits, some people think it's easy to sign, knocking on Iowa's door.
THIS IS MY OPINION.
In Iowa's case it's the latter. Fans need to face that reality. KF came to that simple conclusion long ago and decided his best chance at winning enough games to get a few top recruits in the door, is build a program with what you can get. Take a bunch of good football players with a lot of desire, mix in the few 4 and 5* players he can get, and try and mold them into a team that can win football games. I have been very critical of KF at times, but I do realize this fact and the very difficult position he is in as far as getting the top HS players in the country to come to Iowa. And if you think KF wants just any old 5* recruit just because some recruiting service says he is. Quit dreaming and get with the program.
Every once in a while, the stars (no pun intended) line up for him and Iowa has a very solid season. Last year for example. Look people, enjoy the ride and hope he can keep this thing going for a few years and keep some of those 4 and 5* recruits, some people think it's easy to sign, knocking on Iowa's door.
THIS IS MY OPINION.
