Depth Chart Changes Squashed By Ferentz

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I just got done reading an article about personnel changes with the depth chart by Chad Leistikow. Amazing of how Kirk dismisses the idea of replacing certain players.

I agree with the one paragraph that talked about moving these players (Boone Myers, Ike Boettger, Aaron Mends, Anthony Gair & Amani Hooker), but disagree with what Ferentz said about one of these players.

Ferentz said, "Nothing against Anthony, but Miles (Taylor) has played better & practiced better."

Now, I can see why we've had such a high attrition rate as of late & lack good quality depth at certain positions.

This team better get it turned around this Saturday against Minnesota before the rest of season is completely lost. It can be done, but the fundamentals need some tuning in a big way from what the article states.
 
Gair must really be bad then. Shows how awful our recruiting is when Snyder and Taylor are supposedly the best we have at safety.
 
So I guess the first linebacker off the bench is a walk on now? When I hear that, to me it's further proof that when Ferentz evaluates who he thinks is better, he puts way too much emphasis on the good story walk on trying hard. Mends goes from starter, to backup, to behind a walk on whose name was never really even mentioned. I know they don't play the same position but Bower has the flexibility to move over. There is just no way the walk on is better every single time there is a decision to be made. Kirk definitely has a problem with deciding who the better player is. Either that or he's the worst recruiter that ever lived. There is no reason to have that many walk on's on the 2 deeps.
 
PCHawk said:
So I guess the first linebacker off the bench is a walk on now? When I hear that, to me it's further proof that when Ferentz evaluates who he thinks is better, he puts way too much emphasis on the good story walk on trying hard. Mends goes from starter, to backup, to behind a walk on whose name was never really even mentioned. I know they don't play the same position but Bower has the flexibility to move over. There is just no way the walk on is better every single time there is a decision to be made. Kirk definitely has a problem with deciding who the better player is. Either that or he's the worst recruiter that ever lived. There is no reason to have that many walk on's on the 2 deeps.
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Like I've tried to explain to you simpletons time and time again, KF does NOT decide who's where on the depth chart...the position coaches do. The idea that he has enough time to go to every position group, everyday, and evaluate who should be playing shows once again what a complete moron you are and that you know ABSOLUTELY nothing about how a college football team operates. But thanks for your 'opinion', lol.......
 
Ickehawk said:
Like I've tried to explain to you simpletons time and time again, KF does NOT decide who's where on the depth chart...the position coaches do. The idea that he has enough time to go to every position group, everyday, and evaluate who should be playing shows once again what a complete moron you are and that you know ABSOLUTELY nothing about how a college football team operates. But thanks for your 'opinion', lol.......
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The head coach really doesn't have a clue who the "best" players are at each position? Then fill me in with what he does do that takes up all his time. We know it's not game planning for a specific opponent.

If I had to guess, I'm sure Kirk pays a lot off attention to the open positions and discusses who should start with his position coach. I've heard he spends a good portion of his time at the oline, where there are also a lot of walk ons. Is that a coincidence?

So what is it? Do all of his position coaches randomly evaluate talent the same way (always choosing the good story) or are they such bad recruiters that they can't find and develop players with talent to fill the 2 deeps?
 
Kirk gets so much credit for talent evaluation and player development, but how can either of those be true with so many walk ons? Iowa should get mostly 3 stars, but not all 3 stars are equal. Shouldn't a coach who is great at talent evaluation be finding the 3 stars who have higher ceilings than walk on's, then develop them to reach those ceilings?

Why is there walk on's at every position if the position coaches are making the decisions? You would think a few of the coaches would go for the higher ceiling kids that maybe don't go at it as hard as a walk on does in practice.

The fact that they are at every position tells me it's one of two things. Either Kirk is in their ear letting them know who the "better player" is, or they are recruiting and developing so badly that they can't get players on the field that are better than the low ability, hard working, walk ons.
 
PCHawk said:
Kirk gets so much credit for talent evaluation and player development, but how can either of those be true with so many walk ons? Iowa should get mostly 3 stars, but not all 3 stars are equal. Shouldn't a coach who is great at talent evaluation be finding the 3 stars who have higher ceilings than walk on's, then develop them to reach those ceilings?

Why is there walk on's at every position if the position coaches are making the decisions? You would think a few of the coaches would go for the higher ceiling kids that maybe don't go at it as hard as a walk on does in practice.

The fact that they are at every position tells me it's one of two things. Either Kirk is in their ear letting them know who the "better player" is, or they are recruiting and developing so badly that they can't get players on the field that are better than the low ability, hard working, walk ons.
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I think he's a decent developer of talent, however what isn't being addressed, IMO, is that with the exception of last year the on field results had been average at best the past few years. We're not talking about recruiting classes like the ones we'll hopefully have the next few years where guys can legitimately have a chance to find their way onto the depth chart as a true freshman. Not taking a shot at any of the guys with this statement, but maybe the talent gap between the majority of the 3* guys we'd been signing and the walk ons isn't that big of a gap.

I don't think it has to be an issue of KF letting them know who the better players are or the development of the players, but maybe the recruits were bringing in whether 2* or 3* simply aren't guys that are good enough as underclassmen to simply come in and outplay a walk on that may have been in the program longer.

I think its possible to be decent at developing talent and evaluating players, but at the same time I don't know if Iowa is a school that will ever recruit for itself and bring in "impact freshman" unless they can get the results on the field. Last years results should bring in the type of players we're looking/hoping for, but I'm not sure that our facilities (and all that Iowa can offer) can land the players with mediocre results. We need to be stealing a recruit here or there from OSU and Michigan rather getting the guys that they offer but end up shying away from.
 
Ickehawk said:
Like I've tried to explain to you simpletons time and time again, KF does NOT decide who's where on the depth chart...the position coaches do. The idea that he has enough time to go to every position group, everyday, and evaluate who should be playing shows once again what a complete moron you are and that you know ABSOLUTELY nothing about how a college football team operates. But thanks for your 'opinion', lol.......
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You have said some dumb things but this takes the cake.
Joe Maddon probably has no say in his batting order either because the scouts and the hitting coach do that.

The facility toilet paper doesn't change unless Kurt says it's ok.
 
kicker22 said:
I think he's a decent developer of talent, however what isn't being addressed, IMO, is that with the exception of last year the on field results had been average at best the past few years. We're not talking about recruiting classes like the ones we'll hopefully have the next few years where guys can legitimately have a chance to find their way onto the depth chart as a true freshman. Not taking a shot at any of the guys with this statement, but maybe the talent gap between the majority of the 3* guys we'd been signing and the walk ons isn't that big of a gap.

I don't think it has to be an issue of KF letting them know who the better players are or the development of the players, but maybe the recruits were bringing in whether 2* or 3* simply aren't guys that are good enough as underclassmen to simply come in and outplay a walk on that may have been in the program longer.

I think its possible to be decent at developing talent and evaluating players, but at the same time I don't know if Iowa is a school that will ever recruit for itself and bring in "impact freshman" unless they can get the results on the field. Last years results should bring in the type of players we're looking/hoping for, but I'm not sure that our facilities (and all that Iowa can offer) can land the players with mediocre results. We need to be stealing a recruit here or there from OSU and Michigan rather getting the guys that they offer but end up shying away from.
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My point was he can't be putting the best players on the field AND be good at developing talent. Since I think he's good at developing talent, it means I don't think he's putting the best players on the field. If Croston is really our best left tackle, it completely debunks the idea that Kirk develops players.
 
Ickehawk said:
Like I've tried to explain to you simpletons time and time again, KF does NOT decide who's where on the depth chart...the position coaches do. The idea that he has enough time to go to every position group, everyday, and evaluate who should be playing shows once again what a complete moron you are and that you know ABSOLUTELY nothing about how a college football team operates. But thanks for your 'opinion', lol.......
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I agree with this post. Also, didn't this coach go 12-0 in the regular season a year ago? Did he forget how to coach football in a few months? People need to calm down
 
Ickehawk said:
Like I've tried to explain to you simpletons time and time again, KF does NOT decide who's where on the depth chart...the position coaches do. The idea that he has enough time to go to every position group, everyday, and evaluate who should be playing shows once again what a complete moron you are and that you know ABSOLUTELY nothing about how a college football team operates. But thanks for your 'opinion', lol.......
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I'm truly embarrassed that there was a time I thought you might know what was going on. You are an absolute fool. Oh and for good measure...lol
 
Don't you guys remember when that one farmer from who know wheres just walked into a Ferentz press conference and claimed to have some secret play that no defense could stop and the staff got together and met with him afterwards? Thats how Ferentz does things.
 
DJL said:
I'm truly embarrassed that there was a time I thought you might know what was going on. You are an absolute fool. Oh and for good measure...lol
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Well tell us how it works and how KF decides the depth chart for EVERY position, lol.... Freakin high school head coaches let their position coaches make those decisions because they 'see' them everyday. Seriously, tell us how it works!!! You have no clue.....Now get back to your drive thru window and get those orders out....
 
ChosenChildren said:
I agree with this post. Also, didn't this coach go 12-0 in the regular season a year ago? Did he forget how to coach football in a few months? People need to calm down
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I've always thought he does some things well, and when you get the bounces and everything falls into place once every 5-10 years then you have a great season. But when you get a couple of bad breaks, or guys aren't quite what you hoped they would be, you have to adjust. Mid season, or mid game. I'm no expert, but if your left tackle blows and is getting beat every single pass play, you have to adjust. Roll CJ away from pressure, give the LT help, quicker passes. Anything. And if you have guys on defense who just aren't good enough, find someone else. If you don't have someone else, that's the coach's fault. And yes, KF ABSOLUTELY has final say in who starts where. That is a fact.
 
Who hired those position group coaches again?

Someone is getting desperate now...I love it.

LOL, LOL. LOL. yeah, it loses some effectiveness when overused.
 
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ChosenChildren said:
I agree with this post. Also, didn't this coach go 12-0 in the regular season a year ago? Did he forget how to coach football in a few months? People need to calm down
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Every game is a coin flip. Last year was like getting tails 12 times in a row. It's possible but highly unlikely. If Kirk was half as good at coaching a team as he is at coaching individual players, he would be the best coach on the nation. Unfortunately, he is equally as bad at coaching the team as he is good at coaching individual players. That makes him an average to slightly above average coach. It also makes games frustrating as hell to watch. That's why I was so excited when he was hiring new coordiators. I thought maybe he would find someone who's strengths complimented Kirk's weaknesses. So much for that idea.
 
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