Dear Kirk

There's not much to criticize for clock management in this game.

What is to be commended is the change in game attitude: historically, with sub-60 seconds around Iowa's own 30 yard line, does KF attack downfield or attempt a draw/screen and hope for missed tackle or two...? Or does he attack downfield?
 
Bigtenchamp said:
Downs are important sure... but with 15-20 secs left in the game they aren't as important as time is anymore.

I wish I could get all 32 NFL coaches in this thread...
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In college, the clock stops when a team gets a 1st down. In the NFL it does not. That makes a big difference. That's why NFL teams clock the ball after getting a 1st down, but college teams do it less often.

Now, if Iowa clocks it on 1st down, and everything is the same, the next 2 plays are incomplete passes and they have the ball on the 47 yard line. They probably don't try a FG then. As it was, they took a few extra seconds, and were able to run normal plays. The 2 incomplete passes and CJ's 8 yard run where he gets the ball to the 39 yard line for the FG. By the way, CJ goes down intentionally with 2 seconds to go instead of going for more yardage and possibly running out the clock. So, in this case, I think they did the right thing.

By the way, did you see the end of the Ohio State - Northern Illinois game? OSU has a 7 point lead with 2 minutes to go and Northern Ill does not call timeout after a running play. OSU does not huddle and snaps the ball with over 20 seconds left on the play clock. The announcers cannot believe what is happening. Then they punted with 16 seconds left on the play clock. This is the great Urban Meyer and he can't get his team to understand how to run the clock out at the end of the game. It happens to other teams.
 
Bigtenchamp said:
Ardva already explained it to you 3 times... the extra time with a timeout remaining gives you a better chance to gain more yards.. your just being oblivious.

Go watch NFL games at the end of both halves... For like 50 years.
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LOL, so you are telling me that Iowa is gonna run MORE THAN 3 PLAYS AND KICK THE GAME WINNING FG if they spike the ball and have 2nd and 10. LOLOLOLOL, odds are they run 2 more plays. If they are lucky and get a 1st down, they might get the 3rd play in as well. The only way to get more plays than that is if you throw 4 absolutely perfect 5 yard outs to the sideline and they all take 5 or 6 seconds to complete and get out of bounds.
 
Robowe said:
In college, the clock stops when a team gets a 1st down. In the NFL it does not. That makes a big difference. That's why NFL teams clock the ball after getting a 1st down, but college teams do it less often.

Now, if Iowa clocks it on 1st down, and everything is the same, the next 2 plays are incomplete passes and they have the ball on the 47 yard line. They probably don't try a FG then. As it was, they took a few extra seconds, and were able to run normal plays. The 2 incomplete passes and CJ's 8 yard run where he gets the ball to the 39 yard line for the FG. By the way, CJ goes down intentionally with 2 seconds to go instead of going for more yardage and possibly running out the clock. So, in this case, I think they did the right thing.

By the way, did you see the end of the Ohio State - Northern Illinois game? OSU has a 7 point lead with 2 minutes to go and Northern Ill does not call timeout after a running play. OSU does not huddle and snaps the ball with over 20 seconds left on the play clock. The announcers cannot believe what is happening. Then they punted with 16 seconds left on the play clock. This is the great Urban Meyer and he can't get his team to understand how to run the clock out at the end of the game. It happens to other teams.
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Yeah there were two incomplete passes in a row... but the issue is could have saved 7 secs or so with a quick spike... maybe we have time to set up a better play... and also CJ doesn't have to prematurely hit the dirt.

Yes I did see that and it made me laugh.
 
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This much is truwho..this much is truwho...i know I know I know this much is true....lol a game winning 47 yard FG is obviously more satisfying than a game winning 57 yard fg...what the what? :) thanks for the win hawks!
 
Robowe said:
In college, the clock stops when a team gets a 1st down. In the NFL it does not. That makes a big difference. That's why NFL teams clock the ball after getting a 1st down, but college teams do it less often.

Now, if Iowa clocks it on 1st down, and everything is the same, the next 2 plays are incomplete passes and they have the ball on the 47 yard line. They probably don't try a FG then. As it was, they took a few extra seconds, and were able to run normal plays. The 2 incomplete passes and CJ's 8 yard run where he gets the ball to the 39 yard line for the FG. By the way, CJ goes down intentionally with 2 seconds to go instead of going for more yardage and possibly running out the clock. So, in this case, I think they did the right thing.

By the way, did you see the end of the Ohio State - Northern Illinois game? OSU has a 7 point lead with 2 minutes to go and Northern Ill does not call timeout after a running play. OSU does not huddle and snaps the ball with over 20 seconds left on the play clock. The announcers cannot believe what is happening. Then they punted with 16 seconds left on the play clock. This is the great Urban Meyer and he can't get his team to understand how to run the clock out at the end of the game. It happens to other teams.
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Someone gets it here at least. You don't need to clock it in college football, this isn't the NFL. If you can get an extra play called and run in 7 seconds you take it, because you are not assured that you will get 3 plays if you have 2nd and 10. If you take the 7 seconds and run a play, you are assured to get 3 plays off instead of 2.
 
C'mon. Let's all pretend to put on black jerseys, hold hands, and walk into the tunnel after a freaking WIN
 
Robowe said:
In college, the clock stops when a team gets a 1st down. In the NFL it does not. That makes a big difference. That's why NFL teams clock the ball after getting a 1st down, but college teams do it less often.

Now, if Iowa clocks it on 1st down, and everything is the same, the next 2 plays are incomplete passes and they have the ball on the 47 yard line. They probably don't try a FG then. As it was, they took a few extra seconds, and were able to run normal plays. The 2 incomplete passes and CJ's 8 yard run where he gets the ball to the 39 yard line for the FG. By the way, CJ goes down intentionally with 2 seconds to go instead of going for more yardage and possibly running out the clock. So, in this case, I think they did the right thing.

By the way, did you see the end of the Ohio State - Northern Illinois game? OSU has a 7 point lead with 2 minutes to go and Northern Ill does not call timeout after a running play. OSU does not huddle and snaps the ball with over 20 seconds left on the play clock. The announcers cannot believe what is happening. Then they punted with 16 seconds left on the play clock. This is the great Urban Meyer and he can't get his team to understand how to run the clock out at the end of the game. It happens to other teams.
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This. Dear lord, this.
 
The staff wanted 3 plays to get 5-10 years so they could kick a FG, they played those down and distances PERFECTLY.

I would totally be agreeing Bigtenchamps if we needed a TD, or if we needed 10+ yards to get into FG range....but the fact is we didn't. The MOST important thing in THIS CASE was to run as many plays as possible and actually running a play on 1st down, instead of spiking it GUARANTEED us 3 plays at getting yards, instead of only 2 plays.
 
Bigtenchamp said:
I made this post before Koehn's 57 yard miracle kick...

However with better preparation we could have gotten a 47 yard kick instead of a 57.


Kirk is the absolute worst Div 1 or NFL coach I've seen far and away at time management.

It's nice that it didn't cost us this time... but it didn't change the reality.
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I'll give you that...certainly, but we could also have run a completely different play with different outcomes, better or worse...the key to take from tonight is we didn't play for the OT, we played to get in a position to have a shot to win it outright...

...we were able to "try" a kick instead of settling for a last second Hail-Mary. Truth said, what could have gone wrong to miss from 57, could have gone wrong and created a miss at 47 or even 37...can we improve? Yes, but so can half the pro teams on Sundays.
 
Robowe said:
In college, the clock stops when a team gets a 1st down. In the NFL it does not. That makes a big difference. That's why NFL teams clock the ball after getting a 1st down, but college teams do it less often.

Now, if Iowa clocks it on 1st down, and everything is the same, the next 2 plays are incomplete passes and they have the ball on the 47 yard line. They probably don't try a FG then. As it was, they took a few extra seconds, and were able to run normal plays. The 2 incomplete passes and CJ's 8 yard run where he gets the ball to the 39 yard line for the FG. By the way, CJ goes down intentionally with 2 seconds to go instead of going for more yardage and possibly running out the clock. So, in this case, I think they did the right thing.

By the way, did you see the end of the Ohio State - Northern Illinois game? OSU has a 7 point lead with 2 minutes to go and Northern Ill does not call timeout after a running play. OSU does not huddle and snaps the ball with over 20 seconds left on the play clock. The announcers cannot believe what is happening. Then they punted with 16 seconds left on the play clock. This is the great Urban Meyer and he can't get his team to understand how to run the clock out at the end of the game. It happens to other teams.
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Seriously when you have a special qb...you look a lot better as a coach...the urban Meyer example is perfect...urban Meyer obviously doesn't coach clock management lol great point robowe!! It's like saying that a soldier who survives war is better than the one who didnt. Whereas a better trained soldier has a better chance at survival..when the bullets start flying no one is in control....instincts take over....spiking the ball in that situation saves 5 or so seconds..what if the play that is clearly rehearsed as a check play in that situation and practiced gets 10-15 yards..then it's genius. Give the staff a break..it wasn't a bad decision. It was choosing one option over another. Neither is correct until the luxury of hindsight.
 
Robowe said:
In college, the clock stops when a team gets a 1st down. In the NFL it does not. That makes a big difference. That's why NFL teams clock the ball after getting a 1st down, but college teams do it less often.

Now, if Iowa clocks it on 1st down, and everything is the same, the next 2 plays are incomplete passes and they have the ball on the 47 yard line. They probably don't try a FG then. As it was, they took a few extra seconds, and were able to run normal plays. The 2 incomplete passes and CJ's 8 yard run where he gets the ball to the 39 yard line for the FG. By the way, CJ goes down intentionally with 2 seconds to go instead of going for more yardage and possibly running out the clock. So, in this case, I think they did the right thing.
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Good point about NFL vs. college


And to have fun with the what might have beens:
clocking on first down is INC so Iowa's next two plays are INC and an 8 yard run (which with 7 extra seconds CJ turns into a 13 yard run with to make it a 52 yd FGA)

:D
 
I did see what Urban Meyer did and it was bad...

I think CJ could have ran for maybe 10 more yards... but hey guess what he couldn't because there wasn't time to. and he knew it.
 
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DDThompson said:
Good point about NFL vs. college


And to have fun with the what might have beens:
clocking on first down is INC so Iowa's next two plays are INC and an 8 yard run (which with 7 extra seconds CJ turns into a 13 yard run with to make it a 52 yd FGA)

:D
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That is possible as well. However, is CJ as likely to take off running on 4th down and 10 yards to go? I guess it depends on the play and whether he knows he has enough of an opening to get there. He didn't have to worry about getting a 1st down in the other scenario. Just yardage. Interesting debate.
 
deanvogs said:
It is like winning isn't good enough, da haters still want a pound of flesh (even in a win) from KF, and even when they ran a freaking 52 second offense to PERFECTION to win the game. Save it for the losses losers.
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Correct me if I'm mistaken here but the final drive started at Iowa's 30 win 44 seconds left. With two seconds left, Iowa was at Pitt's 39 yard line after CJ's last run.

So in 42 seconds, in college football were the clock stops on 1st downs, with two timeouts, in what requires a hurry-up mode, Iowa moved the ball 31 yards. It worked, mainly because MK made an incredibly low percentage kick, but I'd say it was far from perfection.
 
I would say criticizing KF about this attacking, trying-to-win-a-game, game-winning drive
(when historically he would have dinked-and-dunked-hoping-for-three-or-four-missed-tackles to decide to attack from own 44 w/12 secs left)

is poor clock management.
 
Also for the 3-4 people arguing with me in this thread... Did you hear the THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE booing as the clock rand down and CJ was looking to the sideline?

You remember the game last year where the same thing happened with Rudock staring at the sideline instead of spiking it and we lost the game?

It was an awesome win but I just wish Kirk would learn to teach his QB's to spike it... that's all.
 
Bigtenchamp said:
Also for the 3-4 people arguing with me in this thread... Did you hear the THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE booing as the clock rand down and CJ was looking to the sideline?

You remember the game last year where the same thing happened with Rudock staring at the sideline instead of spiking it and we lost the game?

It was an awesome win but I just wish Kirk would learn to teach his QB's to spike it... that's all.
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I heard the 70,000 plus cheering when we WON THE GAME
 
Xerxes said:
Correct me if I'm mistaken here but the final drive started at Iowa's 30 win 44 seconds left. With two seconds left, Iowa was at Pitt's 39 yard line after CJ's last run.

So in 42 seconds, in college football were the clock stops on 1st downs, with two timeouts, in what requires a hurry-up mode, Iowa moved the ball 31 yards. It worked, mainly because MK made an incredibly low percentage kick, but I'd say it was far from perfection.
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Sorry, Pitt kicked off with 52 seconds left, and we got the ball to the Pitt 39 yard line and kicked a game winning FG.....Seemed plenty "perfect" to me, or at least "more perfect" than sitting on the ball and playing for OT.
 
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