Dear Kirk

[DDThompson]

You guy are cracking me up...

Cj was looking to the sideline what to do... he clearly wasn't told to clock it.

I've been watching football for 30 years... Kirk is the only coach I can remember that doesn't train his QB's to clock the ball properly.

It's always been like this and its cost us games before.

It's a coaching thing.

Oh, so maybe the coaching thing makes sense to not clock it and give Pitt a chance to change their defense?
I like me some CJ a la playground vs. Pitt better.

 

[deanvogs]

Deano, CJ's awareness to know he couldn't make it to the sidelines is what saved us from OT and not textbook clock management from this staff. You can't predict what will happen, so in this situation, you preserve the clock. And to your point, we only ran 2 more plays, so spiking it on 1st down can only be a good thing. It also gives you 7 additional seconds on the clock to force the defense to still have to guard the middle of the field, because we still had a timeout.

Hey Arvada we ran 3 FREAKING PLAY BECAUSE WE DIDN'T SPIKE THE BALL (Incomplete pass on first down, you know the play you think we should have spiked it on.) Then another incomplete pass, and then the Beathard scramble. If we would have spiked it, we run 2 more play, have 10 seconds on the clock and are still kicking a FG.

What don't you people understand about this? We didn't have to score a TD, they were playing to get to a yard line they were comfortable with kicking it from. The time was irrelevant, what don't you get about this?

 

[EstronHawkKing]

Go have yourself another beer and relax, we won.

 

[deanvogs]

It is like winning isn't good enough, da haters still want a pound of flesh (even in a win) from KF, and even when they ran a freaking 52 second offense to PERFECTION to win the game. Save it for the losses losers.

 

[Bigtenchamp]

Coulda woulda shoulda... But but but...


Hawks win. 2015 Kirk's team drove down and pulled off a win. Your father's Ferentz kneels it out. Enjoy the ride.

I'll give you the idea that an old Kirk might sit on the ball... but the rest of your logic is pretty strange.


Good clock management is good clock management... if you manage it right you give yourself a chance to win more than not.

Just because it worked one time (out of many times it has failed) doesn't mean it was good.

And again I enjoyed the game just fine.. it was great.

 

[HawkeyeWalker]

Go have yourself another beer and relax, we won.

My God. THIS ^

 

[Bigtenchamp]

Go have yourself another beer and relax, we won.

This thread was started before the game was over.

I'm plenty relaxed and happy.

 

[deanvogs]

I just don't get why Kirk can't understand the utter importance of a quick spike...

It's funny how people think Kirk is "Mr. NFL"

He is so not Mr. NFL.

He Bigtenchump, go complain about the win elsewhere, we are partying up in the Biotch like it is 1999!

 

[Xerxes]

I made this post before Koehn's 57 yard miracle kick...

However with better preparation we could have gotten a 47 yard kick instead of a 57.


Kirk is the absolute worst Div 1 or NFL coach I've seen far and away at time management.

It's nice that it didn't cost us this time... but it didn't change the reality.

Great point here. Very exciting win and everyone should be happy but the fact is 57 yard FGs are few are far between. I have no issues saying that kick was flat out luck. Not that he couldn't kick it that far because he can but that he could kick it that far accurately without getting it blocked because it has to be driven line drive style.

Better clock management, particularly in CFB with clock stopping on 1st downs, should have given MK a far easier attempt.

 

[Bigtenchamp]

My God. THIS ^

This thread is about clock management.. not about win or the loss.


We are all happy that we won.

 

[Bigtenchamp]

Great point here. Very exciting win and everyone should be happy but the fact is 57 yard FGs are few are far between. I have no issues saying that kick was flat out luck. Not that he couldn't kick it that far because he can but that he could kick it that far accurately without getting it blocked because it has to be driven line drive style.

Better clock management, particularly in CFB with clock stopping on 1st downs, should have given MK a far easier attempt.

Someone who gets it.

 

[HawkeyeWalker]

Maybe We should have just played for OT.

Then we wouldn't be so unhappy about those 4 lost seconds.

 

[DDThompson]

It is like winning isn't good enough, da haters still want a pound of flesh (even in a win) from KF, and even when they ran a freaking 52 second offense to PERFECTION to win the game. Save it for the losses losers.

Someone who gets it.

 

[Bigtenchamp]

He Bigtenchump, go complain about the win elsewhere, we are partying up in the Biotch like it is 1999!

So now we have gone from talking football strategy and game management to

1. name calling
2. and "We won" so nanananabooboo.


That awesome bro. For the 500th time I'm just every bit as happy as you we won.

I'm talking football strategy here. Go elsewhere then this thread imo.

 

[HawkeyeWalker]

This thread is about clock management.. not about win or the loss.


We are all happy that we won.

Clock management wasn't perfect, maybe we could have gotten 1 more play with a spike...both true.

But...we could have just as easily seen KF play for OT. I'll take this instread.

 

[deanvogs]

Someone who gets it.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL.....please explain to me how Iowa gains more yards on less plays if they spike that ball? You got nothing dude, and it is weak and stupid really. We got to run 3 plays by NOT CLOCKING THE BALL AFTER THAT FIRST DOWN. You get 2 plays if you clock it, there is NOTHING that guarantees that you gain 10 yards on 2 plays. The goal wasn't to gain 10 freaking yards, so why spike the ball? We didn't need a first down, we didn't need a TD, we wanted/needed about 5-10 more yards, not 10 + yards.

 

[GesterHawk]

I'll give you the idea that an old Kirk might sit on the ball... but the rest of your logic is pretty strange.


Good clock management is good clock management... if you manage it right you give yourself a chance to win more than not.

Just because it worked one time (out of many times it has failed) doesn't mean it was good.

And again I enjoyed the game just fine.. it was great.

Did we not have a chance to win at the end?

We needed the downs as much as we needed the time.

Playing the clock is less important than playing the yardage at that point. Only need 1 second on the clock to get the field goal.

Do you break flow to stop the clock, do you stop the clock to try to get a few more seconds.

Damned if you do damned if it doesn't work.

 

[Bigtenchamp]

LOLOLOLOLOLOL.....please explain to me how Iowa gains more yards on less plays if they spike that ball? You got nothing dude, and it is weak and stupid really. We got to run 3 plays by NOT CLOCKING THE BALL AFTER THAT FIRST DOWN. You get 2 plays if you clock it, there is NOTHING that guarantees that you gain 10 yards on 2 plays. The goal wasn't to gain 10 freaking yards, so why spike the ball? We didn't need a first down, we didn't need a TD, we wanted/needed about 5-10 more yards, not 10 + yards.

Ardva already explained it to you 3 times... the extra time with a timeout remaining gives you a better chance to gain more yards.. your just being oblivious.

Go watch NFL games at the end of both halves... For like 50 years.

 

[Bigtenchamp]

Did we not have a chance to win at the end?

We needed the downs as much as we needed the time.

Playing the clock is less important than playing the yardage at that point. Only need 1 second on the clock to get the field goal.

Do you break flow to stop the clock, do you stop the clock to try to get a few more seconds.

Damned if you do damned if it doesn't work.

Downs are important sure... but with 15-20 secs left in the game they aren't as important as time is anymore.

I wish I could get all 32 NFL coaches in this thread...

 

[deanvogs]

So now we have gone from talking football strategy and game management to

1. name calling
2. and "We won" so nanananabooboo.


That awesome bro. For the 500th time I'm just every bit as happy as you we won.

I'm talking football strategy here. Go elsewhere then this thread imo.

You are talking non sense, and I'm trying to get you to shut up so you quit looking so stupid.

You have enough time to run 3 plays whether you clock that ball or you don't. That is it, you don't have time for a fourth play no matter what your little temper tantrum is telling you. We ran 3 plays and the 4th play was the FG. No matter what you do, you don't get more plays than that.