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DDThompson
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No. No Japanese baseball team would win a World Series. Japanese baseball teams are at the AAA level or the tweener level. They might even beat the Phillies in a best of seven.
mrolympia
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I doubt Estonia has tv
HawkGold
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Actually for how long they've been at it the US is pretty good.
WinOneThisCentury
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Goal!!!!!!
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DDThompson
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Really. First international match was in 1876. The game almost exclusively played in the U.K before that but The US national team's first match was just a scant decade later in 1885.
Best finish was 3rd in the first World Cup in 1930. There were 13 nations represented.
Team USA has been passed over by dozens of nations until the last 15-20 years.
USA had success early on and soccer never caught on. We've seen this before.
Conclusion: "They come and they go Hobbs. They come and they go."
It's boring.
It's bad acting.
And it doesn't allow the use of what sets us apart from the animal kingdom -- hands.
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The reason they have to hold the that yell for 42 seconds is because it usually only happens once in 180 minutes or once a game
judzeehawk
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I'm surprised they don't wear helmets! Oh yeah that probably wouldn't work since they dribble with their head.
HawkGold
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Guess we can agree to disagree. The sport in the US isn't what either of us want it to be.
About the acting, is it much different than MSU and maybe NTS on one of the Hawk drives late? And aren't we discussion showboating on another thread? The Harmon Rose Bowl? Never have coached real football, but I have high school soccer, baseball, and basketball. It's the most intense sport I've coached and most any soccer player on a good high school team can play football at competitive level. Football...NO. I think you are specifically referring to Italians. We complain a lot about how corrupt the NCAA is.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. In 40 years, I predict one sport will be way above the other in popularity in the US and it will be the sport with the ball that is round. Getting back to the original premise of the subject, that is why ESPN is doing what they are doing.
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DDThompson
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I can always agree to disagree when it's opinion.
What isn't opinion is the newness of soccer in the US and it's success in spite of it. Soccer is not new and it has been more successful prior to the 2000s.
The first American football game was in 1869.
First international American soccer game was in 1885.
Americans chose wisely.
And I've been around long enough to know that the prognosticators said the popularity of Pele was going to topple football from America's sports throne.
Until I see ESPN with dozens of talking head shows talking about soccer like they do football then I'll believe.
And the fantasy soccer leagues ... won't that be fun to draft!
GOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLL
hawkeyes87
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Hey, they have proof now that you can get CTE from soccer.
(playing it- not watching it, that I know of)
Shut it down, I say!!
(not the little kids, though- I assume there's not enough hard contact there yet)
(playing it- not watching it, that I know of)
Shut it down, I say!!
(not the little kids, though- I assume there's not enough hard contact there yet)
HawkGold
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Of course you can. Heading is changing. I never teach kids to head face on defensively. can't control the ball at tall. Not a big fan of it on corners either. The hardest collisions I've ever seen are in soccer. Take out heading and soccer doesn't have the continual bumping with the head area and constant change of direction at high velocity that football has.
Eastern Euorpeans and Turks play a very physical game taking no prisoners, but will welcome you on their team. West Europeans think passing to an American is beneath them and a waste of time. Central/South American and Mexicans avoid contact at almost all cost and howl and whine when you go into them.
Chinese are fun to play with but worse than Americans.
My knee was destroyed by a Russian. The hardest hit I ever had was by a Check.
mopkins
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IMO the main things hurting soccer in the US are that its low scoring and boring if you don't understand it. I've played baseball my whole life, I understand it very well, and I love watching it. However, I completely understand the people who find baseball boring, especially kids. If you don't understand the intricacies of the game, it can be slow and painful to watch. Soccer has the same problems in America.
Also, the fact that soccer games regularly end in ties doesn't sit well with most Americans. Look at what the NHL had to do with overtimes and shootouts. Its just not fun to sit through a 90 minute event to no result.
I used to agree with you. In fact I hated soccer 10 years ago. However I have a 7 year old and it's easily his favorite sport. I've enjoyed watching him compete and learn the game partially because I know absolutely nothing about it so I get to learn along with him.
I agree that USA soccer is stuck in the mud because quite frankly our best athletes do not play soccer. Until the Allen Iverson's, LeBron's, and that level of athlete starts playing soccer young we'll always be a step behind, and honestly whatever I'm not emotionally invested in how good USA soccer is. However, I went to a Sporting KC game this year with my kids and there was a great fanbase there. Atlanta recently had over 70k at a match for their MLS team, which plenty of NFL teams would love to have. The support for local teams at the MLS type level is absolutely new.
I know of several 3A schools in the area that have under 20 kids playing football in a junior high class. when I was in school 20 years ago now, there were like 3 kids in my entire 3A class of about 100 boys that didn't play football in junior high. I don't think we're going to turn on the TV tomorrow and be inundated with soccer. However I think there is much different structural support for soccer in the US that there wasn't when Pele showed up.
You want to know what I like most about soccer? You know you're getting in and out of a soccer game in under 2 hours. When you have baseball and football over 3 (and sometimes 4) hours, and even some basketball games going 2 1/2, our traditional sports are becoming absurdly long.
eledmonster
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It's like hockey but instead of big hits, missing teeth, broken noses and the occasional mullet, the players roll around on the ground like wussies if they get touched...
*comic value implied*
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HawkGold
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In our area the best hs athletes do play soccer. I think you nailed it about understsnding the game. It is the most complex game w no timeouts. Players learn to read the game and adjust on the fly.
Myself I find 1-0 games the most satisfying as I usually get talent depleted teams and I can teach inexperienced kids to play lights out defense and can figure out how to score once. Had a team go winless once the first year and ran the table going 1 to 0 the 2nd year only to lose 0 -1 in the championship in sudden death with only seconds left in ot. Thats intense and exciting.
deanvogs
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That is all anecdotal evidence you guys bring up. The fact is very few American's view soccer as their favorite sport. This myth that soccer will just explode in another 10, 20, 30 years has been around forever. The numbers clearly show this is a myth. In 1985 3% of American's claimed soccer was their favorite sport. 30 years later that number is a whopping 4%.
http://www.theharrispoll.com/sports/Americas_Fav_Sport_2016.html
The TV ratings of Soccer continue to struggle as well (outside of World cup or Olympics).
http://awfulannouncing.com/fox/nbcsn-fs1-ratings-declines-nascar-nhra-mls-figure-skating.html
Soccer is looking into ways into spurring TV interest for Soccer.
http://worldsoccertalk.com/2017/05/11/mls-reveals-strategic-plan-improve-tv-ratings-us/
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theboat
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Antidote you say?
Seriously though, I love to watch good soccer. The US frustrates the hell out of me and I can't get through an MLS game. It will never be the top sport in the US until the top league is in the US. I, like most other people, don't watch minor league of any sport and MLS is like A ball at best.
deanvogs
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Antidote you say?
Seriously though, I love to watch good soccer. The US frustrates the hell out of me and I can't get through an MLS game. It will never be the top sport in the US until the top league is in the US. I, like most other people, don't watch minor league of any sport and MLS is like A ball at best.
Ooops, yep said that wrong.
HawkGold
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Dean, I expect sports participation and popularity of sports to DECLINE across the board. That said, soccer is not offered in many rural areas where football is played. You do know that high school boys soccer is growing and is about 44% of the number participating as football? You do know that rosters are typically limited in soccer to under 20? You do realize that high school soccer numbers combined boys and girls is about 75% of football?
It's not going to happen next week or next year. Come back in about a decade.
One of the biggest changes is that young people used to get together and play football as fun. We used to smear each other. You just don't see it anymore. You do see soccer and lot's of it if you get outside of really small town Iowa. Go to any university that has rec turf fields and are they playing football or soccer at night? Granted many who don't stay in shape can't do soccer and young people in shape can.
My high school was a football power and had huge numbers. Yes the enrollment has declined, but they have barely 20 kids out for their now 8 man team. Years ago, the Iowa Sporting Newspaper (don't remember what it was called) did an article when this school lost. For decades it rarely happened. A few years back they had something like 90 points put on them in 8 man. They used to score that many in 11 man.
A local high school that would be 4A in Iowa was a football power and had only 12 kids go out for Freshman football so they cancelled the season.
Maybe get in shape....and try soccer or figure out some activity as football in 20 years isn't going to be the same. Dolph said there were plenty of tickets left for PSU as of Saturday. Seriously?
