HawkinGoferLand
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very interesting point and I agree.
David Stern wants to raise the NBA age minimum by 1 year.
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very interesting point and I agree.
HawkeyeMike23
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There you go, since you're too lazy to back up your own statements:
On the 3rd of February 2008, Giannakis signed on to coach the Euroleague power Olympiacos, with a 2-and-a-half year contract, at an annual salary of €1.1 million euros net income.
Panagiotis Giannakis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1.1 euros in 2008 was roughly $1.6 mil, net income. That is more than all but the elite of the elite college coaches take home. I'm sure you can find more on your own if you take the time to google it.
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OatesStache
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This is one of the reasons why top players (The Austin Rivers and Anthony Davis' of the world) don't go to Europe or the D league to get paid, but instead go to play for colleges with an established name brand and established coaches.
A guy with talent will get drafted no matter what, but a guy like Royce White would be more lucrative for branding if he went to North Carolina instead of Iowa State.
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OatesStache
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That's one coach, at a top program. And plenty of college coaches make more than that. Are you kidding me? 6 Big 10 coaches make more than 1.8 million.
If you can find more, that's great. You take the time to google it, because you made the claim. Until you can disprove me, I am going to assume that the coaches in college are better than European coaches, and are paid thusly.
1977Hawkeye
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No, he most certainly would NOT be right. The rule would apply to ALL players in the league, yes? So how on earth can it be racist if the rule applies equally and across the board to ALL players in the league, regardless of their race? Nobody is being singled out, here. And don't tell me it's because the league is dominated by black players, unless you are implying that David Stern is trying to eliminate black players from his league, which is complete and utter nonsense.
ColoradoHAWKEYE
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Triton said it well. It would improve the caliber of both leagues, and make the nba potentially more marketable to a larger audience...and maybe re-open college bball to a former viewing crowd that lost interest due to the lack of recognizable players year in and year out there.
1 year may not be enough to accomplish those things, however it would be a good move in the right direction....and no, it would not be racist as they are looking to protect their own product.
1 year may not be enough to accomplish those things, however it would be a good move in the right direction....and no, it would not be racist as they are looking to protect their own product.
1977Hawkeye
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I never really thought of this angle but that's a good point. It's true that I am not familiar with most of the players in the NBA, and that really does nothing to bring in anyone who is not already a die-hard NBA fan.
thejumper5
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A quick look at the players that likely would have been in college this year if players were required to wait 2 years before entering the draft:
Kyrie Erving--Duke
Tristan Thompson--Texas
Brandon Knight--Kentucky
Tobias Harris--Tennessee
Cory Joseph--Texas
Josh Selby--Kansas
Jereme Richmond--Illinois
Edit: And last year was lighter on freshmen entering the draft than several past years have been.
Kyrie Erving--Duke
Tristan Thompson--Texas
Brandon Knight--Kentucky
Tobias Harris--Tennessee
Cory Joseph--Texas
Josh Selby--Kansas
Jereme Richmond--Illinois
Edit: And last year was lighter on freshmen entering the draft than several past years have been.
HawkeyeMike23
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That's take home pay my man, not pre tax income and in 2008, not 2012. But that's fine, I'm going to continue being right and assume you're ignorant until you prove otherwise.
dmShortSaledude
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It is not for free. They get a great education, training room, tutors, living expenses, etc. That costs $30k minimum and up $60k for a school like Duke or Michigan. More than most people make in a year.
But you nailed it on the exposure and building a fanbase. That is huge, especially the fanbase. That is what the NBA wants. NEEDS. These kids go from high school to the pros and nobody knows them, nobody cares. But if they go to college for years, they have all of those schools fans following them into the NBA... That's HUGE.
DunderMifflinHk
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Increasing the age limit also helps the NBA when drafting players. They get another year of scouting players against top competition which helps them decide which players are worth drafting and which players were all hype coming out of high school. The reason why NCAA basketball is uninteresting until March is we don't even know who the marquee players are until then. If players stuck around for a few years we'd have great matchups during the year of top players and teams meeting up in the non-conference and conference season. There were barely any games that you HAD to watch during the regular season in college basketball. Unless you were watching your own team there weren't many matchups that got you amped to watch. College basketball needs top players to stay for longer to increase the interest in their product.
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OatesStache
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I said that the player gets "exposure, branding, hype, [and] builidng a fan base" for free, not that they play basketball for free.
See, in the NBA, the stars are what sells tickets and gets TV exposure. In college, it is the coaches and the prestige of the program. People wonder why these top recruits go to places like UNC, Duke, UK, KU, etc. where they are just another cog in the machine who will be forgotten in two years, instead of going to a place like Iowa or Illinois, where they would be a legend who would never have to buy a beer in the state. The reason is that they are building their brand on the existing star power of their coach and program.
WhiteThunder
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I bet if you asked a group of people in New York, Dallas, Philly, LA, or any other NBA market what they thought of this rule you would get a totally different response. The NBA is most popular in urban markets where they don't care about college basketball. They want the best players in the best league right away. As someone else pointed out, the majority of the elite players are coming from those areas too.
Do you think people in Chicago needed to see Derrick Rose play at Memphis for a year to connect with him? No way. If he is good enough to play right away let him.
That being said the NBA is a business and can (and will) do what it wants. I would be fine with a compromise where anyone can go to the NBA out of high school, but if they do go to college then they have to stay.
Do you think people in Chicago needed to see Derrick Rose play at Memphis for a year to connect with him? No way. If he is good enough to play right away let him.
That being said the NBA is a business and can (and will) do what it wants. I would be fine with a compromise where anyone can go to the NBA out of high school, but if they do go to college then they have to stay.
Section136
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Not really the best example because Rose played high school ball and grew up in Chicago. Bulls fans knew who he was because of that.
Think Washington Wizards fans were connected with Kwame Brown?
HawkeyeMike23
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Pretty sure most NBA fans like this rule. People in Chicago were a lot more excited to get Rose after he had led Memphis to the national championship game than they would have been if he had came into the league right out of Simeon. It's fun to actually know a little about the players going into the draft. It's a lot easier to get excited about someone like Durant after watching him dominate at Texas for a year.
AZHAWKFAN1
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Compare body stucture of a NBA player to a college player. In that vein, very very few high school players are phyically ready to take that pounding.
RocknRollface
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Actualy I believe it has to be written into the players union rules. I know it is in the NFL anway.
I believe this is done mostly to avoid age discrimination lawsuits.
RocknRollface
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What? Thats insane.
Whats driving it is that most of the guys who were comming out of highschool were busts. Kwame Browns ect.
It does the NBA teams a world of good to be able to see what a player can actually do.
Imagine a team spending the number one pick on Harrison Barnes which is likely what would have happened had he been allowed to come out of highschool. That would have been a disaster for the team who picked him.
I wouldn't hold your breath on this. The NBA Players' Union would have to approve a raise in the age minimum.
The longer a kid must wait to get into the NBA, the longer they wait to get through their rookie contract and sign the huge guaranteed contract.
The NBA would have to make huge concessions for the players to go for this (probably higher salaries).
The longer a kid must wait to get into the NBA, the longer they wait to get through their rookie contract and sign the huge guaranteed contract.
The NBA would have to make huge concessions for the players to go for this (probably higher salaries).
