Curious of thoughts on an Urban Meyer hypothetical

[HawkGold]

I understand the argument you're trying to make. But if you're talking about Cedric Everson and Abe Satterfield, your comparison to MSU and PSU still pales. Everson and Satterfield were removed from team activities and then from the team itself, nor can I find any evidence of KF, GB, or the Iowa Athletic Department committing any illegal or immoral actions during said case. That doesn't totally excuse them, but it also places much of the fault at the feet of the University itself.

Furthermore, the Iowa Regents hired an external law firm to investigate the University's own process and handling of the case.

https://www.chronicle.com/article/U-of-Iowa-Mishandled-Rape/41645

"accused top university officials, including Sally Mason, the president, and Phillip Jones, the vice president for student services, of distancing themselves from [the victim]"

"Investigators with the law firm, Stolar Partnership, based in Dallas and St. Louis, found several problems with how the university had responded to the allegations. Among other criticisms, they faulted the university for failing to show the letters to the Board of Regents and for not providing adequate counseling to the alleged victim when she was interviewed by university officials. They did not find signs that the university had attempted to cover up the accusations, both newspapers reported."

Very much a case of poor execution, especially considering how much has changed in how colleges handle sexual assault cases in recent years.

We disagree on several things. We agree on poor execution.

Never believe in internally paid instigations. Just don't. We agree things have changed.

The local big u town paper is in bankruptcy. They are highly sensitive to certain reporting. In our small town the local editor/paper did some articles on the local school that was fair, but made the board look bad. Her advertising revenue dropped by 1/3 and the board dropped the paper off the list of press releases and giving access to school officials. They in public stopped referring to the paper as press.

We disagree on whether local media can be trusted.

Giving my opinion, KF knew when to stop and it saved his career. He didn't go as far to protect himself and program as Dantonio, Iz, Joe or Urb. Was he a better man? Maybe. Did he see he couldn't win? Maybe. All is conjecture but it does appear the U and officials including KF didn't immediately do the right thing.

The rhabdo thing he did take initiative to defend and fight and cover up and he won. I doubt he could do the same today.

Anyway my opinion which is no better or worse than anyone elses.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

I voted no. I just don't think the upside would be worth it? How long would he coach at Iowa 2, 3 4 yrs tops? With laundry list of things he's got dragging behind him I'd just rather not. There's no guarantee he'd get a BIG championship let alone a national one for us either.

 

[Fryowa]

He knows and you know exactly what I'm talking about. When he says he doesn't the bias is baked in...


Some are never going to believe Iowa did that. Some are going to believe everything.

My point wasn't to argue if it happened. Just tired of the big bad cootie Urb argument.

Did what, exactly? You're being obtuse for a reason I can't understand.

Iowa did what?

If I know and @BVHawk95 knows, why can't you bring yourself to type it?

Are you afraid of losing a debate, and being vague and cryptic as to avoid someone citing facts to refute you?

Like I said, I don't care one way or the other, but you're being a cunt when you want to call bullshit on someone else but won't tell them why. That's @HuckFinn level douchebaggery right there.

I pick my fights. You never miss an opportunity.

LOL

You pick your fights??? You started one and ran!!

You quite literally called someone out and said they were full of shit, and then when he asked you why you said the equivalent of, "Because I say so," and then ran like a child.

 

[hawkeyes87]

How long would he coach at Iowa 2, 3 4 yrs tops?

Why would this be true?

For the sake of the discussion, we're assuming he'd agree to come here.

But, we know he could get the HC job just about anywhere he wanted to coach.

So there would be no reason for him to suddenly take another job so quickly.

 

[HawkGold]

Did what, exactly? You're being obtuse for a reason I can't understand.

Iowa did what?

If I know and @BVHawk95 knows, why can't you bring yourself to type it?

Are you afraid of losing a debate, and being vague and cryptic as to avoid someone citing facts to refute you?

Like I said, I don't care one way or the other, but you're being a cunt when you want to call bullshit on someone else but won't tell them why. That's @HuckFinn level douchebaggery right there.


LOL

You pick your fights??? You started this one and ran!!

You quite literally called someone out and said they were full of shit, and then when he asked you why you said the equivalent of, "Because I say so," and then ran like a child.

My fight was that it s time to let Urb pass go, unless we want look at all things including Iowa. Arguing about what Iowa did and did not do is a waste of time. Some don't want to look at Iowa culpability. There was some.

At your age you should know better than carrying around open buckets of gasoline.

Specially I was talking about the rape. You knew that. The other guy knew that. Don't pretend otherwise.

 

[Fryowa]

My fight was that it s time to let Urb pass go, unless we want look at all things including Iowa. Arguing about what Iowa did and did not do is a waste of time. Some don't want to look at Iowa culpability. There was some.

At your age you should know better than carrying around open buckets of gasoline.

Specially I was talking about the rape. You knew that. The other guy knew that. Don't pretend otherwise.

So you're talking about Cedric Everson and how the athletic department handled the situation?

 

[Fryowa]

At your age you should know better than carrying around open buckets of gasoline.

At your age you should know better than to dump gasoline on a fire and run away like a coward.

 

[HawkGold]

At your age you should know better than to dump gasoline on a fire and run away like a coward.

You knew...so what is there to discuss fireman?

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Why would this be true?

For the sake of the discussion, we're assuming he'd agree to come here.

But, we know he could get the HC job just about anywhere he wanted to coach.

So there would be no reason for him to suddenly take another job so quickly.

He has zero ties to Iowa. There was no reason for him to leave OSU or Florida for that matter either. Why would he stay at Iowa for anything other then a paycheck? I think we are underestimating how tough it'd be to get Iowa over the hump too. It's not a foregone conclusion that he'd get Iowa to a top 10 program or higher level. Especially right away. I dunno I could easily be wrong but there's no way of knowing

 

[Ree4]

You knew...so what is there to discuss fireman?

I had no idea what you were referring to if it's any consolation

 

[uihawk82]

I would sell my soul for a National Championship. SO, yes, I would absolutely take Urban.

Bob Stoops would be great.

What about Jonathon Hayes? Head coach of the St. Louis Battlehawks.

Does Joh Hayes have really deep recruiting ties and links built up because that is what you need. You need a new head coach who has done it all very well but can also bring in recruits.

Iowa is a Top 30 program the last nearly 40 years and has top 15 money and facilities. Iowa should be able to get a lot of really good coaches to want the job. No need to hire BFerentz who has no experience. I think that would be like Evy hiring Jerry Burns so Burns could learn on the fly while burying a once proud program (maybe not all Burn's fault).

But a Bob or Mark Stoops, another coach from the lower latitudes who has really good southern and other recruiting connections. Iowa has everything except warmer winter weather and easy airplane access.

 

[hawkeye23]

Does Joh Hayes have really deep recruiting ties and links built up because that is what you need. You need a new head coach who has done it all very well but can also bring in recruits.

Iowa is a Top 30 program the last nearly 40 years and has top 15 money and facilities. Iowa should be able to get a lot of really good coaches to want the job. No need to hire BFerentz who has no experience. I think that would be like Evy hiring Jerry Burns so Burns could learn on the fly while burying a once proud program (maybe not all Burn's fault).

But a Bob or Mark Stoops, another coach from the lower latitudes who has really good southern and other recruiting connections. Iowa has everything except warmer winter weather and easy airplane access.

Yep, there's a lot of positives about Iowa (except winter weather which is a large one) but you'd think it was the North Pole for some that think Iowa can't be better than average. If it happened soon and you couldn't get Bob Stoops (probably not happening), I think Mark Stoops would be a very good option if he wanted a change of scenery. He's done a decent job getting recruits to a dumpster fire of a program at Kentucky.

 

[uihawk82]

Yep, there's a lot of positives about Iowa (except winter weather which is a large one) but you'd think it was the North Pole for some that think Iowa can't be better than average. If it happened soon and you couldn't get Bob Stoops (probably not happening), I think Mark Stoops would be a very good option if he wanted a change of scenery. He's done a decent job getting recruits to a dumpster fire of a program at Kentucky.

And that is just it you look at a P5 coach or any coach who has taken a moribund, down in the dumps program and built them up like a Mark Stoops.

Who is the coach at App St, Eliah Drinkwirt or something and keep an eye on that type of coach. He has a lot of coaching experience in the south.

There are a lot of up and coming coaches and Coordinators around.

 

[uihawk82]

Brian F.'s playcalling is a big question mark but is he a good manager as an OC? Is he showing really good head coaching management style and ability. Right now he only answers to his dad and any in depth analysis of his program management abilities, because he is the manager of the offense, needs to come from his position coaches and ex-position coaches who have worked with him.

How is Brian's recruiting ability and his ability to go sell the program to recruits and their parents in their living rooms?

 

[HawkGold]

I had no idea what you were referring to if it's any consolation

Fair enough....thx

 

[okeefe4prez]

And that is just it you look at a P5 coach or any coach who has taken a moribund, down in the dumps program and built them up like a Mark Stoops.

Who is the coach at App St, Eliah Drinkwirt or something and keep an eye on that type of coach. He has a lot of coaching experience in the south.

There are a lot of up and coming coaches and Coordinators around.

Look, no offense to Stoops, but I went down to Columbia to watch Kentucky play South Carolina a few weeks ago and his team looked like absolute garbage. I think Stoops had one good class and the stars from that all left. The program is not very good and Stoops has only had one good season. Yes, yes, yes, I know Kentucky is in the SEC but they are in the East, which sucks (not as bad as the Big Ten West, but it's probably close) and Kentucky's protected crossover game is against freaking Mississippi State. He's also making over $4 million and I'm not sure he is any better than Ferentz, in fact he's probably worse.

The guy from App State ain't going to Iowa. He's a southerner and if he puts up another good year at App State, he's going to get a good SEC or ACC job. And no offense to Iowa, but Boone, NC is a really nice town tucked into the mountains and is probably about a 100x better place to live than Iowa.

 

[uihawk82]

Look, no offense to Stoops, but I went down to Columbia to watch Kentucky play South Carolina a few weeks ago and his team looked like absolute garbage. I think Stoops had one good class and the stars from that all left. The program is not very good and Stoops has only had one good season. Yes, yes, yes, I know Kentucky is in the SEC but they are in the East, which sucks (not as bad as the Big Ten West, but it's probably close) and Kentucky's protected crossover game is against freaking Mississippi State. He's also making over $4 million and I'm not sure he is any better than Ferentz, in fact he's probably worse.

The guy from App State ain't going to Iowa. He's a southerner and if he puts up another good year at App State, he's going to get a good SEC or ACC job. And no offense to Iowa, but Boone, NC is a really nice town tucked into the mountains and is probably about a 100x better place to live than Iowa.

Exactly, it is hard to keep a program like Kentucky up for multiple years unless you are given that longevity or a great recruiter and coach. Kentucky has like a 3rd stringer or something at QB this season.

But Stoops has taken them from very poor to 3 straight 8+ win seasons and a really great year for them last year and beat PSU in the bowl. That is pretty good.

And Mark is maybe not quite the Wacko that the other brother not named Bobby is?

I am just throwing out names as examples of coaches out there so dont take me so literally when I mention the App St coach. He could be an up and comer.

I am sure Iowa is going to look at someone they can keep for at least 10 years who doesnt view Iowa as a stepping stone.,

 

[okeefe4prez]

I am sure Iowa is going to look at someone they can keep for at least 10 years who doesnt view Iowa as a stepping stone.,

Yeah, agreed. I think to get that sort of loyalty you want to go with a former player. Someone who really loves the program. Maybe a guy who used to play center on the team. Guy with a brother or two who also played on the team. A guy like Brian Ferentz.

 

[uihawk82]

Yeah, agreed. I think to get that sort of loyalty you want to go with a former player. Someone who really loves the program. Maybe a guy who used to play center on the team. Guy with a brother or two who also played on the team. A guy like Brian Ferentz.

I saw where you were going so you didnt need the last sentence.