Crennel: Stanzi "unlikely" to play today

[Stanzi]

Yeah, he made some horrible choices with all 6 INT's he threw his senior year. Lucked out and threw for 3k yards and 25 TD's too. Oh, and that 64% completion percentage was because he made so many bad decisions on where to throw the ball.

Didn't you read sportstalent's post? Stanzi was a no talent *** clown, and he never made a good throw in his career. He really should have had 40 interceptions and no touchdowns his senior season. Dude couldn't make a good throw to save his life.

 

[CWooD4]

Thank you for your valuable contribution to this thread. Perhaps you should focus on the Iowa State players who aren't good enough to play. For the record that's every single one. I'm convinced that you kill brain cells every time you have a thought.

Why so hostile? I was merely offering my 2 cents which isn't really much different then what other hawk fans have said. Maybe he doesn't have that it factor for the NFL, but that doesn't diminish his accomplishment of getting drafted, having a good college career.

But hey, you'll take your hostile route because I'm an ISU fan, Oh and my brain cells are just fine, except on weekends after boozing sessions. Thanks for your concern.

 

[sportstalent]

IMHO Ricky was an above average college quarterback but was questionable for the NFL. You need to be able to read the field, make decisions and fire the ball much faster than I think he was capable of, even with additional development and NFL coaching.

I don't know about above average, but I agree with what you are saying. Maybe my utter dislike for Stanzi is swaying the way I am stating my analysis. There are a lot of QB's that put up numbers in college, but it doesn't translate to NFL success, Kliff Kingsbury is one. Ty Detmer, Gino Torreta, John Navarre and many others. I think Stanzi's decision making was questionable given the amount of receivers he missed that were wide open to make a safe throw rather than air it out and get a PI, or a big play. The head scratcher throws in double and triple coverage in the middle of the field are others that I point too.

There are other ex-Iowa QB's that I felt translated to the NFL much better, but also were better players in college as well, it is just my opinion. Sorry I don't think Stanzi was a great QB, but that is like the UM fans that hate Harbaugh and didn't think he was a great player, just as an example.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Why so hostile? I was merely offering my 2 cents which isn't really much different then what other hawk fans have said. Maybe he doesn't have that it factor for the NFL, but that doesn't diminish his accomplishment of getting drafted, having a good college career.

But hey, you'll take your hostile route because I'm an ISU fan, Oh and my brain cells are just fine, except on weekends after boozing sessions. Thanks for your concern.

Yea pay no attention to the guys who deem it necessary to bully others opinions. It makes them feel better about how they live their lives in their parents basement. It's pretty much like politics in here. If you disagree with any of Obama's policies your a racist. That's just how it is. If you disagree with someone on here your just dumbest person ever even though you know how to turn on a computer.

 

[Bigtenchamp]

its wierd that they have kept him all this time if he is that bad - its not like they pay him much.

Seems like a waste of a rosters spot.

 

[HobbieHawk]

Oh, enough of this.

Stanzi is a gamer.
And a gamer doesn't necessarily 'have the optics' or 'look good' in practice.
Crennell just doesn't want to have happen to him as what happened to Ferentz at Pitt, and at home against Michigan in 2001: expose yourself for playing the wrong QB all along. Rick was benched the entire 2nd half of the Pitt game and Banks was benched after not picking up a first down. Never mind that they both were moving the team downfield while the starters were not.

Rick was a better QB when he was the un-coached back-up his Soph season, and the under-coached starter his Jr season - he was just plain taken out of his game his Sr season when he was smothered in practice and admonished not to make a mistake ("whatever you do, DO NOT think of an elephant!" and guess what happens?).
Like Drew Tate. And Jake Christensen.
The longer a QB is in the Iowa system the more his game degrades - BUT HE LOOKS BETTER IN PRACTICE.

Have you ever wondered why our best seasons under Ferentz were with first-year-starter QBs?
Stanzi, Tate, Chandler, Banks?

Rick was a gun-slinger his Jr year (2009), just like Tate in 2004, throwing to spots on the field - Yes, Stanzi threw many a "Rick"-Six on the side outs (which, for some reason, our coaches continued to call the entire season!), but he always rebounded with the short memory needed at QB and rallied to win those games.

Right up until some genius called a naked bootleg in our own endzone right into an All-American Defensive End that turned him into a pretzel.

 

[kmajhawk]

Oh, enough of this.

Stanzi is a gamer.
And a gamer doesn't necessarily 'have the optics' or 'look good' in practice.
Crennell just doesn't want to have happen to him as what happened to Ferentz at Pitt, and at home against Michigan in 2001: expose yourself for playing the wrong QB all along. Rick was benched the entire 2nd half of the Pitt game and Banks was benched after not picking up a first down. Never mind that they both were moving the team downfield while the starters were not.

Rick was a better QB when he was the un-coached back-up his Soph season, and the under-coached starter his Jr season - he was just plain taken out of his game his Sr season when he was smothered in practice and admonished not to make a mistake ("whatever you do, DO NOT think of an elephant!" and guess what happens?).
Like Drew Tate. And Jake Christensen.
The longer a QB is in the Iowa system the more his game degrades - BUT HE LOOKS BETTER IN PRACTICE.

Have you ever wondered why our best seasons under Ferentz were with first-year-starter QBs?
Stanzi, Tate, Chandler, Banks?

Rick was a gun-slinger his Jr year (2009), just like Tate in 2004, throwing to spots on the field - Yes, Stanzi threw many a "Rick"-Six on the side outs (which, for some reason, our coaches continued to call the entire season!), but he always rebounded with the short memory needed at QB and rallied to win those games.

Right up until some genius called a naked bootleg in our own endzone right into an All-American Defensive End that turned him into a pretzel.

That all-American dip wad had some help from Ricky's face mask.

 

[Hawkers86]

Sporttalent.....so he cant learn from past mistakes? Thank God we have "experts" like you here. Players never get better or worse they just always stay the exact same right? Quit spouting opinions as fact. You have no real in depth knowledge about how good of an NFL QB he would be. Go back to scouting on Maden NFL 13 on the Playstation.

 

[bcl20]

Sporttalent.....so he cant learn from past mistakes? Thank God we have "experts" like you here. Players never get better or worse they just always stay the exact same right? Quit spouting opinions as fact. You have no real in depth knowledge about how good of an NFL QB he would be. Go back to scouting on Maden NFL 13 on the Playstation.

Real coaches and scouts decided that he can't start on a 2 win football team so......

 

[theboat]

Real coaches and scouts decided that he can't start on a 2 win football team so......

He plays on the Chiefs. They don't have real coaches or scouts.

 

[bcl20]

He plays on the Chiefs. They don't have real coaches or scouts.

shhhh

 

[ForeverHawk]

Or maybe he knows Stanzi is not a viable NFL QB, oh wait, how can I say such a thing when the hasn't gotten a chance?

Stanzi is about as competent at Drew Stanton NFL wise.

I am sorry to pee in people's Cheerios here, but he really wasn't that great. He made a ton a horrible choices and they year they needed him to not make those horrible choices, senior year, because the defense laid some eggs, he didn't. The Arizona game comes to mind the most. The Wildcats dropped at least 5 INT's and Stanzi missed a ton of open wide receivers that would have won the game for them. You can talk numbers and ratings, but throw those out and if you can honestly say he had a phenomenal career then you are lying to yourself.

The more you type about Stanzi, the more you loose credibility with any type of analysis you put on this site in the future. It's obvious for some reason you didn't approve of Stanzi, so just let it go! Nobody said he was phenomenal. However, there are only three QB's that have a better career passer rating at Iowa and again their names were Long, Banks and Hartlieb!

 

[dave3912]

Or maybe he knows Stanzi is not a viable NFL QB, oh wait, how can I say such a thing when the hasn't gotten a chance?

Stanzi is about as competent at Drew Stanton NFL wise.

I am sorry to pee in people's Cheerios here, but he really wasn't that great. He made a ton a horrible choices and they year they needed him to not make those horrible choices, senior year, because the defense laid some eggs, he didn't. The Arizona game comes to mind the most. The Wildcats dropped at least 5 INT's and Stanzi missed a ton of open wide receivers that would have won the game for them. You can talk numbers and ratings, but throw those out and if you can honestly say he had a phenomenal career then you are lying to yourself.

You judgement of Stanzi's ability to play in the NFL are solely based on his college career. One thing is clear, you have made up your mind about Stanzi that he isn't good enough without seeing in play in a real NFL game, not just preseason. That doesn't make sense, for someone who seems to be so sure of himself seems to act like he is some kind of NFL talent scout. I think the odds are against him that he will truly have a good NFL career but until then I will hold my judgement of a player who has yet to get his shot in real action.

Based on your comments, the only one to pee in anyone's Cheerios is Stanzi at some point in time peed in your Cheerios.

 

[sportstalent]

You judgement of Stanzi's ability to play in the NFL are solely based on his college career. One thing is clear, you have made up your mind about Stanzi that he isn't good enough without seeing in play in a real NFL game, not just preseason. That doesn't make sense, for someone who seems to be so sure of himself seems to act like he is some kind of NFL talent scout. I think the odds are against him that he will truly have a good NFL career but until then I will hold my judgement of a player who has yet to get his shot in real action.

Based on your comments, the only one to pee in anyone's Cheerios is Stanzi at some point in time peed in your Cheerios.

Not entirely true, he was at the scouting combine.

Isn't that what most fans base their projection if a player can be viable in the NFL?

Lastly, Stanzi plays for the hapless Chiefs. Cassell can't stay healthy and the other QB's that have been on the roster, espcially Brady Quinn, haven't proven to be capable players at the NFL level, not for any sustained success anyway.

Actually, I have missed terribly on Russell Wilson, but then again it is his first year in the NFL and one year doesn't guarantee sustained success ask me what I thought of Tom Brady coming out, not what the scouts thought and the rest of the NFL...you hit on some and miss on some. If Stanzi ever becomes a player in the NFL then you can say "told you so" until then, what I have seen appears correct.

 

[dave3912]

Not entirely true, he was at the scouting combine.

Isn't that what most fans base their projection if a player can be viable in the NFL?

Lastly, Stanzi plays for the hapless Chiefs. Cassell can't stay healthy and the other QB's that have been on the roster, espcially Brady Quinn, haven't proven to be capable players at the NFL level, not for any sustained success anyway.

Actually, I have missed terribly on Russell Wilson, but then again it is his first year in the NFL and one year doesn't guarantee sustained success ask me what I thought of Tom Brady coming out, not what the scouts thought and the rest of the NFL...you hit on some and miss on some. If Stanzi ever becomes a player in the NFL then you can say "told you so" until then, what I have seen appears correct.

It seems to be a fan thing, not an NFL scouting review. I thought Stanzi was a great QB for Iowa because Iowa isn't known for excellent QB play, especially for NFL level talent. I didn't believe he would be a great or even good NFL QB because as you said he didn't make great decisions when Iowa needed it especially in his senior year, although he had great stats, much like Vandy in his JR year. But my hope was he would get his shot after being coached up in how to read a defense/blitzes pre-snap. Something he didn't seem to get from KOK.

 

[sportstalent]

It seems to be a fan thing, not an NFL scouting review. I thought Stanzi was a great QB for Iowa because Iowa isn't known for excellent QB play, especially for NFL level talent. I didn't believe he would be a great or even good NFL QB because as you said he didn't make great decisions when Iowa needed it especially in his senior year, although he had great stats, much like Vandy in his JR year. But my hope was he would get his shot after being coached up in how to read a defense/blitzes pre-snap. Something he didn't seem to get from KOK.

This is where we just disagree entirely, but that is okay. I thought JVB would be far better than he ended up being, but Iowa's offense was a trainwreck this season.

I think there were some QB's under Hayden that had less stats wise than Stanzi and projected better in the NFL. I do agree with you on your statement that Iowa isn't known for getting QB's in the NFL. It seems the ones that had the best shots ended up getting hurt when they had a chance to prove themselves.

 

[dave3912]

This is where we just disagree entirely, but that is okay. I thought JVB would be far better than he ended up being, but Iowa's offense was a trainwreck this season.

I think there were some QB's under Hayden that had less stats wise than Stanzi and projected better in the NFL. I do agree with you on your statement that Iowa isn't known for getting QB's in the NFL. It seems the ones that had the best shots ended up getting hurt when they had a chance to prove themselves.

I don't think Stanzi was a all conference or anything but he got the job done in half of '08 and '09 but '10 he left a lot out on the field. I agree, I thought JVB would have been better as well and this season offensively was a trainwreck, FO SHO.

Hayden did have better QB's no doubt about that. Some of Hayden's O-lines were great though too, made alot of their QB's look better than they really were.

 

[sportstalent]

I don't think Stanzi was a all conference or anything but he got the job done in half of '08 and '09 but '10 he left a lot out on the field. I agree, I thought JVB would have been better as well and this season offensively was a trainwreck, FO SHO.

Hayden did have better QB's no doubt about that. Some of Hayden's O-lines were great though too, made alot of their QB's look better than they really were.

Kirk has had some pretty good O-Lines for his QB's as well.

Stanzi wasn't awful, I think there was a lot of unjustified hype about him when you really stepped back and took a look at him. He had some good comebacks, he put up solid to good numbers, but I was never sold that he was the kind of QB that would never take a program to another level. There isn't too many programs that get them to begin with, Iowa had one once, but never since and again they are few and far between any way.

 

[dave3912]

Kirk has had some pretty good O-Lines for his QB's as well.

Stanzi wasn't awful, I think there was a lot of unjustified hype about him when you really stepped back and took a look at him. He had some good comebacks, he put up solid to good numbers, but I was never sold that he was the kind of QB that would never take a program to another level. There isn't too many programs that get them to begin with, Iowa had one once, but never since and again they are few and far between any way.

Kirk's have been good but I think Brian is going to take them to the next level. I like Brian getting hired, I know many hate it but if he flops I will eat crow.

It seems to be KF issue with QB's he doesn't seem to focus on QB's needed to excel, they just need a good field manager with adequate passing skills.

I was hoping Rudock was going to be good, maybe he will be but then again maybe someone else will step up but the odds are against them.

 

[sportstalent]

Kirk's have been good but I think Brian is going to take them to the next level. I like Brian getting hired, I know many hate it but if he flops I will eat crow.

It seems to be KF issue with QB's he doesn't seem to focus on QB's needed to excel, they just need a good field manager with adequate passing skills.

I was hoping Rudock was going to be good, maybe he will be but then again maybe someone else will step up but the odds are against them.

Brian is a good hire, I know people don't see it, but it may be just who Iowa needs on staff that will allow KF to let his assistants get back to doing what they did when KF first got there and Iowa year after year was said to have the best staff in the Big Ten.