Could it be Fran???

HawkeyeMike23 said:
I could tell this about three posts ago. There's no benefit for the NBA allowing high school kids into the draft, not one, that's why they pushed to change it and now that they have it established, they aren't going back.
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The mass exodus of players from high school to the NBA and not college, destroyed the NBA for years, it is starting to recover, but I am still sick of watching isolation, one on one basketball.

There were only a handful of guys ready, like Garnett, Kobe and LeBron, but those 3 are a little bit better than average.

Guys left from these drafts are nothing more than role players. I don't know what the ultimate solution is, but finally ending the debacle of direct high school entrants was a step that had to happen.

The other thing that resulted out of that time was all the rule changes to encourage scoring because the offenses were so dreadful with the terrible product on the floor. The NBA changed and pretty much ruined the pro game, but it is what it is.
 
sportstalent said:
The mass exodus of players from high school to the NBA and not college, destroyed the NBA for years, it is starting to recover, but I am still sick of watching isolation, one on one basketball.

There were only a handful of guys ready, like Garnett, Kobe and LeBron, but those 3 are a little bit better than average.

Guys left from these drafts are nothing more than role players. I don't know what the ultimate solution is, but finally ending the debacle of direct high school entrants was a step that had to happen.

The other thing that resulted out of that time was all the rule changes to encourage scoring because the offenses were so dreadful with the terrible product on the floor. The NBA changed and pretty much ruined the pro game, but it is what it is.
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That was perception not reality there was no mass exodus of high school players. So the grab and hold, grind-it-out game that college has become does it for you? If you want to blame someone for what you saw in the post Jordan era(late 90's, early 2000's) blame Jordan, blame the bad boy piston teams of the late 80's, early 90's.....take your pick.

I don't even get what you are even trying to say here.

Dwight Howard isn't exactly a role player.

The brawl in Detroit was the catalyst for Stern and the NBA owners that they needed to change the perception of the NBA. The by-product of that was defensive rule changes that have created a more free flowing game(which I like). This idea of a bunch of out-of-control 18 years old ruining the league just ain't true.
 
trj said:
That was perception not reality there was no mass exodus of high school players. So the grab and hold, grind-it-out game that college has become does it for you? If you want to blame someone for what you saw in the post Jordan era(late 90's, early 2000's) blame Jordan, blame the bad boy piston teams of the late 80's, early 90's.....take your pick.

I don't even get what you are even trying to say here.

Dwight Howard isn't exactly a role player.

The brawl in Detroit was the catalyst for Stern and the NBA owners that they needed to change the perception of the NBA. The by-product of that was defensive rule changes that have created a more free flowing game(which I like). This idea of a bunch of out-of-control 18 years old ruining the league just ain't true.
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The style of play had nothing to do with the NBA being a sham. There was a huge drop off in talent...period. If Dwight Howard is all you can add...and I have never been impressed with if it ain't a dunk I can't make it.

I can't blame Jordan, if I do throw in Barkley, Pippen, Drexler, Hakeem and that generation.

The talent faded because too many guys entered the NBA not ready, but they had "potential" and that right there led to many awful selections.

So the NBA had to make changes to survive, but that transition was awful to watch. Yeah they had a perception problem and in many ways still do.

What is wrong with college basketball, it's simple, the officiating is absolutely freaking terrible and inconsistent. Until that changes it will get worse and there are games that are awful to watch as a result.

Maybe I will feel the same way about college and go back to watching more NBA, but I am not to that point.
 
sportstalent said:
The style of play had nothing to do with the NBA being a sham. There was a huge drop off in talent...period. If Dwight Howard is all you can add...and I have never been impressed with if it ain't a dunk I can't make it.

I can't blame Jordan, if I do throw in Barkley, Pippen, Drexler, Hakeem and that generation.

The talent faded because too many guys entered the NBA not ready, but they had "potential" and that right there led to many awful selections.

So the NBA had to make changes to survive, but that transition was awful to watch. Yeah they had a perception problem and in many ways still do.

What is wrong with college basketball, it's simple, the officiating is absolutely freaking terrible and inconsistent. Until that changes it will get worse and there are games that are awful to watch as a result.

Maybe I will feel the same way about college and go back to watching more NBA, but I am not to that point.
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A lot of those guys spent at least 1+ years in college. Practically, everyone of the so called 'next' Jordan spent time at college. Didn't like Marbury and Iverson jackin up shots well they both spent time in college.

As I replied to Mike23 the one and done rule is simply the NBA reacting to public perception that a bunch of 18 year old was destroying the league. It wasn't true, but i can't counter his argument that the league would be better off the way it was. I can't say it would be more beneficial for the NBA to allow kids straight out of school to play in the league.

The one and done rule and if it eventually gets to 2 years has or will make the college game better, so I am all for it.
 
sportstalent said:
The mass exodus of players from high school to the NBA and not college, destroyed the NBA for years, it is starting to recover, but I am still sick of watching isolation, one on one basketball.

There were only a handful of guys ready, like Garnett, Kobe and LeBron, but those 3 are a little bit better than average.

Guys left from these drafts are nothing more than role players. I don't know what the ultimate solution is, but finally ending the debacle of direct high school entrants was a step that had to happen.

The other thing that resulted out of that time was all the rule changes to encourage scoring because the offenses were so dreadful with the terrible product on the floor. The NBA changed and pretty much ruined the pro game, but it is what it is.
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In all fairness, Shaun Livingston would be another player who would be mentioned in the same league as the three you mentioned if he hadn't completely blown out his knee on a freak play while playing for the Clippers in what would have been his senior year at Duke - yes, he had the grades to go there and opted to the NBA. He missed a season and a half, and doctors told him at the time there was a chance his leg might have to be amputated.

And you say "guys left". Well with that also there are some very good players who have already retired. Rashard Lewis and Jermaine O'Neal were very good players, making the All-Star team. Tyson Chandler and Amare Stoudemire had some very good years but are now near the end of their careers.

And as far as the offenses being dreadful: my opinion is that too many mistake athleticism for basketball talent. Yes, you need to be athletic to be a good basketball player but if you have basketball talent it can transcend athleticism. John Stockton is probably the best point guard of all time, but no one would call him athletically gifted. He did have a knack for passing the ball and exactly the right time to exactly the right place. He also had a knack for being in the right place defensively. He leads the NBA in career assists and steals by wide margins. Larry Bird is another player who wasn't the most gifted athletically but managed a pretty fair career. It pains me as a Lakers fan to say it, but Larry is probably the best player to ever lace them up.
 
sportstalent said:
The mass exodus of players from high school to the NBA and not college, destroyed the NBA for years, it is starting to recover, but I am still sick of watching isolation, one on one basketball.

There were only a handful of guys ready, like Garnett, Kobe and LeBron, but those 3 are a little bit better than average.

Guys left from these drafts are nothing more than role players. I don't know what the ultimate solution is, but finally ending the debacle of direct high school entrants was a step that had to happen.

The other thing that resulted out of that time was all the rule changes to encourage scoring because the offenses were so dreadful with the terrible product on the floor. The NBA changed and pretty much ruined the pro game, but it is what it is.
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There's not a lot of isolation basketball in the league anymore, it doesn't work against the new defensive rules. This year's Finals was a fluke due to all of Cleveland's injuries that led to a lot of isolation basketball. But the Spurs-Heat Finals, especially 2013, were filled with really complex, advance offenses. Both of those teams were all about ball movement and spacing, isolation play doesn't work in the playoffs.
 
Can someone please rename this thread to "boring NBA talk" so I can remember to stop checking it?
 
HawkeyeMike23 said:
There's not a lot of isolation basketball in the league anymore, it doesn't work against the new defensive rules. This year's Finals was a fluke due to all of Cleveland's injuries that led to a lot of isolation basketball. But the Spurs-Heat Finals, especially 2013, were filled with really complex, advance offenses. Both of those teams were all about ball movement and spacing, isolation play doesn't work in the playoffs.
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Yeah, I was going to say the same thing, but I was too lazy to go into details. Either he thinks it is 1986 where dudes with gigantic rear ends are backing people down on the block. Or he is just watching Westbrooke jack up shots on a depleted OKC team.
 
PCHawk said:
Can someone please rename this thread to "boring NBA talk" so I can remember to stop checking it?
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As oppose to every thread turning into KF bashing? It is August brutha, not a whole lot going on. In about 2 weeks you will have your choice of threads to dive into.
 
trj said:
Yeah, I was going to say the same thing, but I was too lazy to go into details. Either he thinks it is 1986 where dudes with gigantic rear ends are backing people down on the block. Or he is just watching Westbrooke jack up shots on a depleted OKC team.
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Scott Brooks man. Terrible offensive coach, how you can have a team with two guys like Durant and Westrbook and can't come up with a more creative offense than a high pick and roll into an iso over and over is beyond me. Their offense becomes painful to watch in the playoffs. OKC should have fired him years ago.
 
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HawkeyeMike23 said:
Scott Brooks man. Terrible offensive coach, how you can have a team with two guys like Durant and Westrbook and can't come up with a more creative offense than a high pick and roll into an iso over and over is beyond me. Their offense becomes painful to watch in the playoffs. OKC should have fired him years ago.
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Creative offense doesn't belong in the same sentence with NBA.
 
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