Consider in 09 we drove 70 yards on MSU to win the game with 1:31 remaining

[storminspank]

Well no ****. But if you are seriously trying to score you don't start out with a run up the middle. It was the wrong call, and it's not even debatable. Just like not going for it against OSU in '09 was the wrong call. On the road in a hostile environmental with all the momentum against you it makes no sense to play for overtime.

Plus you say ISU only needed 15-20 yards after the punt to get into FG range, well guess what? In overtime they only needed 25 yards and Ferentz kicked the FG saying he trusted his defense to get the stop. So he trusts his defense more in OT after they had given up two more touchdowns than at the end of regulation? Of course not, it was just a terrible call and to even try to defend it is laughable.

So playing in OT in a hostile environment makes no sense, but attempting to run a high pressure 2 minute drill inside your own 20 isn't? Wow, now I've heard everything.

 

[storminspank]

Calling the running play on first down becomes a self-fullfilling philosophy for this staff. That play was getting very little ground all day so by calling it and getting very little yardage, we were justified in their eyes to basically take a knee and play for overtime. This is a chickenbleap way to play football.

I didn't like the 1st down play call either, but the majority of the time Iowa goes 2 TE, 2 WR, single HB. They decided to try to pick up some big yards with Coker (who was getting stronger as the game was going on). Instead, he only got a couple yards, the flag came out, and it was over.

I wish we would have seen a quick slant to McNutt or something out in the flat and let him do something with it. That's my only complaint about the end of regulation.

 

[HawkeyeMike23]

So playing in OT in a hostile environment makes no sense, but attempting to run a high pressure 2 minute drill inside your own 20 isn't? Wow, now I've heard everything.

They weren't inside their own 20 first of all. Secondly, when the last time you had the ball you drove 80 yards for a touchdown and you're playing against a tired defense it makes absolutely no sense to not even try to score. I get that you're a hardcore Iowa fan boy, but you don't have to always defend them.

It's not your fault. It's not your fault.

 

[HawkeyeMike23]

I didn't like the 1st down play call either, but the majority of the time Iowa goes 2 TE, 2 WR, single HB. They decided to try to pick up some big yards with Coker (who was getting stronger as the game was going on). Instead, he only got a couple yards, the flag came out, and it was over.

I wish we would have seen a quick slant to McNutt or something out in the flat and let him do something with it. That's my only complaint about the end of regulation.

So you're only complaint is that Iowa didn't try to do something at the end of the regulation, yet you're arguing that sitting on the ball was the right the call? Unbelievable.

 

[tm3308]

So playing in OT in a hostile environment makes no sense, but attempting to run a high pressure 2 minute drill inside your own 20 isn't? Wow, now I've heard everything.

By going for a FG in regulation, assuming you don't turn the ball over (which you are no more likely to do in regulation than in OT), the worst that will happen is that you don't score, and you go to OT.

Overtime serves as a "safety net" in that scenario. But when you make OT the PRIMARY plan, there is nothing else to fall back on.

 

[DuffMan]

Every situation is different. Once it got to 2nd and 13 from inside Iowa's own 20 with a minute to go, the writing was on the wall.

I think too many people watch the NFL and guys like Brees and Peyton. The 2 minute drill works well in the NFL, but it college it's success rate is much lower, something like less than 30% result in scores. So with that in mind - Iowa had greater than 70% chance of giving the ball back to ISU after failing in their 2 minute drill. One more incomplete pass on 2nd down and suddenly the clock is stopped with a minute to go, 3rd and 13 inside Iowa's own 20 yard line, ISU has timeouts and didn't have to blow one on the incomplete pass. Now it just got scary. Incomplete pass on 3rd. Uh oh. Iowa's kick and punt coverages SUCK. S-U-C-K. So now you want the STs to suddenly cover kicks well after they've blown all day. Not to mention even if there isn't a return, the ball is likely somewhere around MIDFIELD for ISU. They need 15-20 yards in a minute's time with timeouts in their pocket and a kicker that already straight nutted a 53 yard FG.

The decision was the right one, guys.

I know a lot of you want to be the dangerous risk taking cool coach, but that's not going to happen. It doesn't make sense in this scenario.

You also forgot to mention we don't have a legitimate Heisman contender for a punter anymore also. A bobbled snap or a shanked punt from the case of the jitters and ISU gets the ball already in FG range.

Iowa had two priorities on that possession.

1) Avoid turning the ball over
2) Avoid punting back to ISU with any appreciable time left in the game.

Priority 3 was try and score points.

 

[HaydenHawk56]

Let me rephrase the kickers were 1 out of 3. I still take my chances.

 

[ajk4st8]

I dont get any comparison to Iowa in 09.

In 2010 you lost every road game minus the freebie win from Indiana. Don't get the shock from this years road loss.

Iowa is still a powerhouse in Kinnick stadium.

 

[spudhawk]

I disagree with the first play call and formation of the last regulation drive. Honestly I am fine with the run on first down. 1:17 was a lot of time, but there are better ways to open that possession than an inside zone.

Move the pocket and if worst comes to worst fall down for a sack. Run a draw with Coker with different set. THREATEN THE PASS. Even if you run.

This was a terrible show of confidence by the staff to the entire offense. It was the wrong opening play on a drive that the coaches conceded after the touchback.

Finally guthrie hasn't had a punt returned this season.-- edit I was wrong about this.

 

[SDK46]

The 2 minute drill works well in the NFL, but it college it's success rate is much lower, something like less than 30% result in scores. So with that in mind - Iowa had greater than 70% chance of giving the ball back to ISU after failing in their 2 minute drill.
Really....I'd like to see where this figure comes from.

One more incomplete pass on 2nd down and suddenly the clock is stopped with a minute to go, 3rd and 13 inside Iowa's own 20 yard line, ISU has timeouts and didn't have to blow one on the incomplete pass. Now it just got scary. Incomplete pass on 3rd.
I don't know why you think we have two incomplete passes?? The issue here is why do we run a running play to start the series. Pass it three times in a row if you have to! Running isn't part of a 1:17 offense.

The decision was the right one, guys.
Your entire premise is on the fact we fail on passing attempts. I disagree we would have three times in a row. Your second premise is we allow them to run the ball back to the 50...well...have the punter angle it away from the returner, or kick it out of bounds....lots of options.

Again, giving ISU the ball on the 25 after they had clobbered us up and down the entire field for 3 quarters was a 100% fatal certainty....give me "30%" anytime!...give Vandy the chance to win the game.

 

[DJL]

Well we can all argue (and have) about this until we are blue in the face, but the fact is, agree or not, it's not going to change under KF. With that being said, let's pray we are up more than 1 score on Saturday in the 4th quarter. Otherwise, we will most likely be here next Monday pondering the "what ifs"

 

[storminspank]

So you're only complaint is that Iowa didn't try to do something at the end of the regulation, yet you're arguing that sitting on the ball was the right the call? Unbelievable.

No. Try to pay attention here.

I'm saying after it was 2nd and 13, it was time to sit on the ball. I think KF was hoping Coker could reel off a nice gain so there would be a reason to continue the 2 minute drill. He was stopped. Penalty came. End of story, you can't go for it anymore.

 

[storminspank]

Again, Seff. If Iowa is stopping the clock on incomplete passes, the ball is going back to ISU in great field position with a return game that ran down Iowa's throats all game long. Did you see JVB at times on Saturday - he was all over the place. Ball could be picked, ball could be incomplete. Inconsistencies with him scared Ferentz, I'm sure.

If the ball is anywhere but deep inside Iowa's own side of the field, the philosophy changes.

Yes, the first play call was bad and conservative, but if it breaks for any decent amount of yardage, KF is going to start up the engine again. It didn't, penalty came, done.

 

[SDK46]

Sorta tongue-in-cheek here....sorta not.

Would love to have been a fly-on-the-bench on the opposite team's side at both the ISU and OSU games when Iowa had the ball, timeouts and sat on it.

I literally can hear Rhoads and Tressell, and the rest of the teams, going "holy ^*&#, they're going to sit on it. All right!"

 

[storminspank]

They weren't inside their own 20 first of all. Secondly, when the last time you had the ball you drove 80 yards for a touchdown and you're playing against a tired defense it makes absolutely no sense to not even try to score. I get that you're a hardcore Iowa fan boy, but you don't have to always defend them.

It's not your fault. It's not your fault.

If I'm an "Iowa fanboy" wouldn't I have wanted Iowa to be aggressive and go for the win in OT?

I don't follow your logic here.

And, yes, the 17 yard line is inside the 20 yard line on a football field.

 

[SDK46]

Again, Seff. If Iowa is stopping the clock on incomplete passes, the ball is going back to ISU in great field position with a return game that ran down Iowa's throats all game long. Did you see JVB at times on Saturday - he was all over the place. Ball could be picked, ball could be incomplete. Inconsistencies with him scared Ferentz, I'm sure.
Vandy wasn't all over the place at OSU. Had the game of his life. I think KF is indeed trepidacious....sad to see. And again, weigh your "maybe incompletions occur" argument against giving ISU the ball at the 25 in OT when our D was clearly gassed and clueless.

Yes, the first play call was bad and conservative (I'd say....it set up the entire rest of the game), but if it breaks for any decent amount of yardage (which Coker hadn't allllll day), KF is going to start up the engine again (agree). It didn't, penalty came, done.

 

[storminspank]

I'm not talking about OSU. I'm talking about the game in Ames that was played this past weekend. JVB looked awesome at times and lost and erratic at other times.

 

[HawkeyeMike23]

If I'm an "Iowa fanboy" wouldn't I have wanted Iowa to be aggressive and go for the win in OT?

I don't follow your logic here.

And, yes, the 17 yard line is inside the 20 yard line on a football field.

No you just defend Ferentz no matter what. And the drive started at the 20, not the 17. Stop trying to change the facts.

 

[tm3308]

If I'm an "Iowa fanboy" wouldn't I have wanted Iowa to be aggressive and go for the win in OT?

I don't follow your logic here.

And, yes, the 17 yard line is inside the 20 yard line on a football field.

By "fan boy", he means it in the sense that there are Apple "fan boys", or COD "fan boys". Basically, homer.

I'm not trying to insult you, just explaining what he means by that.

 

[HawkeyeMike23]

Again, Seff. If Iowa is stopping the clock on incomplete passes, the ball is going back to ISU in great field position with a return game that ran down Iowa's throats all game long. Did you see JVB at times on Saturday - he was all over the place. Ball could be picked, ball could be incomplete. Inconsistencies with him scared Ferentz, I'm sure.

If the ball is anywhere but deep inside Iowa's own side of the field, the philosophy changes.

Yes, the first play call was bad and conservative, but if it breaks for any decent amount of yardage, KF is going to start up the engine again. It didn't, penalty came, done.

Didn't realize you were in the Iowa huddles too. Making an awful lot of assumptions to support your argument.