Comparing Ferentz and Fry

[Section136]

First, don't call someone an idiot if you can not figure out what the pathetic year was. I did watch the game and wonder if you didn't watch it or you are an ........ Yes Iowa dominated it for a long time until LSU did the qb switch. How anyone cannot see that game and know how it ended was one of the worst end of game management demonstrations is an .....

Did Iowa deserve to win it? It was a game of 2 halves. Iowa no more or less than LSU. Giving up that much that late was not as deserving as you might think. It was a demonstration of things to come. Very poor end of game mgt and giving up games late due to as Dolph says.....a tired Iowa defense...and as we know now as playing not to lose.

The play at the end was not very well scripted. It was a forecast of things to come. We just didn't see it at the time.

Now before calling people names, stop acting like one.

Please list the years you are counting as pathetic for each coach.

As far as the bowl game goes, Iowa had held LSU to 203 total yards through just over 3 quarters of the game, 74 of which had come on 1 run by Broussard. They were dominating. How can you say it was a game of two halves when Iowa outscored LSU in both halves?

 

[Section136]

The problem with Section's arguements or debate on this whole thread is he uses emotionally based opinions to try and get his pathetic point across.

The fact is this. Kurt is not meeting the benchmarks that an Iowa coach should be making and they are trending in the wrong direction. Prove me wrong? Given his salary, the amount of fan base support the program recieves, the amount of money the program spends, the facilities the program has, and the amount of booster/alumni support he has at his disposal he is not meeting minimum expectations. The ROI is not there. It is a fact. Everyhting elses is emotional BS. Kurt talked of Fat Cats a few years back. Maybe it's because most people are reflections of their leader and he should take a look at the cat staring back at him in the mirror.

This year I would agree with you that KF did not meet expectations.

 

[ILHawk]

Corporal Klinger, you lose credibility with name calling. 2nd I don't believe in moral victories. A win is a win and a loss is a loss. That game was a win (yea), but a poorly run game. You conveniently leave out that LSU had more yards (slightly) and more 1st downs. 1st downs are a clear marker. Take out the yards on the last play and the stats on yardage aren't that close.

 

[Section136]

Corporal Klinger, you lose credibility with name calling. 2nd I don't believe in moral victories. A win is a win and a loss is a loss. That game was a win (yea), but a poorly run game. You conveniently leave out that LSU had more yards (slightly) and more 1st downs. 1st downs are a clear marker. Take out the yards on the last play and the stats on yardage aren't that close.

It was a poorly ran last drive, but a very well executed game. If a win is a win why are you trying to discredit it bud?

Also, I am still waiting for you to list the years.

And how was the Cap One Bowl a game of two halves if Iowa outscored LSU in each half?

Im asking you direct questions but you cant seem to answer them. Stumped?

 

[LASBUR]

You KF haters arnt being fair. I dont want to say anything bad about HF He was a great all time Hawkeye. But the truth is a lot of people thought he stayed a couple years to long. I even heard he was calling plays that had not been in the play book for 2-3 years at the end. The program was starting to hurt pretty bad. So be fair. Everyone is unhappy with this year. But in my opinion the year KF really under performed was the year after the Orange Bowl win. This year we were low on talant, experince, and had coaching changes.

 

[PeoriaHWKI]

This year I would agree with you that KF did not meet expectations.

As a whole I would say you would have to throw last year in there too. I think Stanzi's senior year was a disappointment but those happen. I could argue that could be on Kurt, with hindsight now, but that would not make a factual point. All in all I think if you look at where the program has gone the last 3 years, Kurt is not meeting expectations of a financially elite coach in his 14th year.

 

[ILHawk]

It was a poorly ran last drive, but a very well executed game. If a win is a win why are you trying to discredit it bud?

Also, I am still waiting for you to list the years.

And how was the Cap One Bowl a game of two halves if Iowa outscored LSU in each half?

Im asking you direct questions but you cant seem to answer them. Stumped?

I'm not stumped. HF's last year. I look at stats and LSU for sure dominated Iowa in the 2nd half especially take away the hail mary. I've never said that KF didn't put together good game plans. Many of his teams struggle late in the game when the ****** isn't working. R U stumped on English?

I was as excited as anyone by that win btw. Looking back, what I said that it was a sign we didn't catch.

 

[Section136]

I'm not stumped. HF's last year. I look at stats and LSU for sure dominated Iowa in the 2nd half especially take away the hail mary. I've never said that KF didn't put together good game plans. Many of his teams struggle late in the game when the ****** isn't working. R U stumped on English?

I was as excited as anyone by that win btw. Looking back, what I said that it was a sign we didn't catch.

What were the years consider KF's pathetic years? My original point was if you are counting 2010 then you need to count 1997 for Fry.

 

[Section136]

As a whole I would say you would have to throw last year in there too. I think Stanzi's senior year was a disappointment but those happen. I could argue that could be on Kurt, with hindsight now, but that would not make a factual point. All in all I think if you look at where the program has gone the last 3 years, Kurt is not meeting expectations of a financially elite coach in his 14th year.

If you were disappointed in 2011 with a 7-5 record after the talent the Hawks lost after the 2010 then I think you had too high of expectations.

I think people were so disappointed with 8-5 in 2010 that it would have taken 9 or 10 wins last year for it to be a success, which was unreasonable to expect.

 

[blubberhawk]

So I was surprised at how much animosity there is towards Kirk Ferentz on this site. It's definitely not this bad on the Rivals site. So I decided to do some research.

Ferentz has been here 14 years and has exactly 100 wins. 2 conference championships. 6-4 in bowl games.

Fry won 105 games in his first 14 years. 3 conference championships. 4-5-1 in bowl games.

That's pretty evenly matched, with a slight edge to Ferentz for a better bowl record and putting more players in the NFL.

I wish people would get off the Ferentz hate train. We have a great football coach who can and probably will eclipse Fry. Everyone has down years, we will get better and Ferentz will lead us there.

What does putting players in the NFL have to do with anything?

 

[blubberhawk]

Not so fast. Championships and Rose Bowl appearances are determined differently now than when Fry coached. Jon did an analysis nto to long ago. Fry wouldn't have as many "real" championships if they calculated things using the same criteria Ferentz has to meet.

Fry had two Rose bowl seasons that ended with 8-4 records.

 

[ILHawk]

If you were disappointed in 2011 with a 7-5 record after the talent the Hawks lost after the 2010 then I think you had too high of expectations.

I think people were so disappointed with 8-5 in 2010 that it would have taken 9 or 10 wins last year for it to be a success, which was unreasonable to expect.

7-5 records now are actually losing records against BCS schools. No reason to expect less. You could also count 8-4 records on that. Still, detractors sight the talent level and under achievement.

 

[blubberhawk]

1. Inflation, man.
2. Iowa State was garbage under Fry, they're good under Ferentz. Apples and Oranges.
3. Same applies to trophy games; Minnesota was garbage then, and still is. Wiscy is good now, was garbage then.
4. Other teams have gotten better, too. CMU was not a terrible team.
5. Don't know.
6. With one more conference member, this is nothing to sneeze at.
7. KF has done better in the rankings.
8. So we have a NW problem, big deal. Is that what you're going to measure the success of a program by, their record against NW?

I never said KF was BETTER than Fry, just that we shouldn't be throwing him under the bus so much. Maybe I'll feel differently in 5 years, but I feel like he's got the tools to right the ship.

You make me laugh..
ISU good during the Ferentz years?
From 1995 to date they are 85-129..
They suck now and have always sucked although they suck a little less now than in some eras.

 

[PeoriaHWKI]

If you were disappointed in 2011 with a 7-5 record after the talent the Hawks lost after the 2010 then I think you had too high of expectations.

I think people were so disappointed with 8-5 in 2010 that it would have taken 9 or 10 wins last year for it to be a success, which was unreasonable to expect.

Again you are missing the point. Going 7-5 for a finacially elite coach is not meeting, or shoudl I say, shouldn't be meeting expectations from the University. I am a fan. I am emotional. So I remove myself and even Kurt from the equation and put down what shuld be the minimum expectations of a coach paid as high and with all the resources that is currently at Iowa.

When you take the emotion out and the names, it is hard to argue.

 

[HawkPrdatr40]

Im probably not the best person to fairly judge the two. I was only 15 when KF took over in 1999.

Fair enough.

I was 16 when I attended my very first Iowa football game in 1985. That game Iowa -v- Michigan. In 1990 while serving in the Marine Corps during (Desert Storm) my father got a football signed for me by a Famous Former Marine his name Hayden Fry.



I can relate to your strong feeling for KF.

 

[dave3912]

If you were disappointed in 2011 with a 7-5 record after the talent the Hawks lost after the 2010 then I think you had too high of expectations.

I think people were so disappointed with 8-5 in 2010 that it would have taken 9 or 10 wins last year for it to be a success, which was unreasonable to expect.

I think this would matter alot more if Iowa haven't gone 7-5 in the regular season with all that talent in 2010. Having NFL talent on your roster doesn't matter unless you win. If you lose then it is only a cheap cop out as to why 7-5 is acceptable for the next season. Prime example is North Carolina, that team a few years ago was loaded with NFL talent and at the seasons end they still weren't that good.

For example: 2010: 7-5 record, loaded with NFL talent still busted season even with beating a ranked Mizzo team in the InSight Bowl, then 2011 7-5, losing to a ranked OU team in the InSight Bowl. But if 2010 would have been 9-3 or 10-2, even 11-1 which alot of people believed was achieveable with all the talent they had, then 7-5 would have been a little more acceptible.

That is how I view it.