HawkPrdatr40
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RealtimeRpi lists it as Quality win not the OP and when I posted this today Realtimerpi hadn't updated the weekend results. I stated that.
Compairing Iowa, Minnesota and Illinois
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RealtimeRpi lists it as Quality win not the OP and when I posted this today Realtimerpi hadn't updated the weekend results. I stated that.
HawkPrdatr40
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I just went to see if they are updated. They are and no they don't list the home win against Northwestern as a Quality Win and at Northwestern is no longer deemed a quality win.
Very fluid stuff. Now Northern Iowa, Iowa State and Wisconsin are listed as our 3 quality wins..
http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_187_Men.html
Very fluid stuff. Now Northern Iowa, Iowa State and Wisconsin are listed as our 3 quality wins..
http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_187_Men.html
aaronzuriel
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Iowa needs to sweep Nebby, PSU and hold home court against Purdue, ILLANOY and MINNY or get the huge upset at IU.
Otherwise, despite the fact I'm a homer and believe in moral victories Iowa won't deserve the dance, albiet a run to the BIG TEN Championship game... win or lose.
Anyhow
IOWA is BACK
Otherwise, despite the fact I'm a homer and believe in moral victories Iowa won't deserve the dance, albiet a run to the BIG TEN Championship game... win or lose.
Anyhow
IOWA is BACK
aaronzuriel
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RPI is a joke value, and IMO should not be used as a way to quantify a team's value.
the index comprises a team's winning percentage (25%), its opponents' winning percentage (50%), and the winning percentage of those opponents' opponents (25%). The opponents' winning percentage and the winning percentage of those opponents' opponents both comprise the strength of schedule (SOS). Thus, the SOS accounts for 75% of the RPI calculation and is 2/3 its opponents' winning percentage and 1/3 times its opponents' opponents' winning percentage.
Now, the SOS is a huge part of it, and since SOS is also a biased estimate (does not account for variation due to conference very well) and is in my opinion again a weak measure. So, without actually going into the statistics, I personally think that this is a joke of a way to compare teams.
YOU GOT THAT RIGHT SIR!!!
Only 25 % is a direct reflection of any team's performance. What up with that?
How about the eyeball test? Ever heard of looking at close losses and close wins and where they occur?
How about injuries and how is any team performing over the last month or so?
Me thinks this may be important!
the index comprises a team's winning percentage (25%), its opponents' winning percentage (50%), and the winning percentage of those opponents' opponents (25%). The opponents' winning percentage and the winning percentage of those opponents' opponents both comprise the strength of schedule (SOS). Thus, the SOS accounts for 75% of the RPI calculation and is 2/3 its opponents' winning percentage and 1/3 times its opponents' opponents' winning percentage.
Now, the SOS is a huge part of it, and since SOS is also a biased estimate (does not account for variation due to conference very well) and is in my opinion again a weak measure. So, without actually going into the statistics, I personally think that this is a joke of a way to compare teams.
YOU GOT THAT RIGHT SIR!!!
Only 25 % is a direct reflection of any team's performance. What up with that?
How about the eyeball test? Ever heard of looking at close losses and close wins and where they occur?
How about injuries and how is any team performing over the last month or so?
Me thinks this may be important!
volhawk50
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I agree 100%. Wikipedia told me that the RPI "lacks theoretical justification from a statistical standpoint" which tells me all I need to know. Your opponent's win percentage is twice as important as your win percentage Seems like a backwards way to rank teams.
HawkPrdatr40
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Northwestern isn't a good win anymore. But Purdue is a bad loss.
ssckelley
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I will say this again, a loss to a team outside the top 100 RPI is a bad loss and any win against a team in the top 100 is a quality win. Purdue is ranked well outside the top 100 and Northwestern was ranked in the top 100.
ssckelley
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RealtimeRPI updated there rankings, strange stuff.
17 Minnesota
27 Illinois
92 Iowa
If the season ended today I would think both Minnesota and Illinois would be a lock for the tournament, both with losing conference records. You have to drop all the way down to #48 (Boise St) to find the next highest ranked team with a losing conference record.
17 Minnesota
27 Illinois
92 Iowa
If the season ended today I would think both Minnesota and Illinois would be a lock for the tournament, both with losing conference records. You have to drop all the way down to #48 (Boise St) to find the next highest ranked team with a losing conference record.
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I would call them necessary wins (40 - 100) to build a resume. I would not call them quality wins. After 100, it doesn't help. Losses do hurt.
aaronzuriel
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Waaay too early to tell. Hawks need to beat Purdue or they shouldn't be in.
volhawk50
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By this standard, 5 of our last 6 games are quality win opportunities. How nice of Nebraska to be in the top 100.
ssckelley
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We are talking about the RPI here, not what you and I think. A win over a top 100 team is a quality win, you get bonus if they are top 50. It also works the other way a loss against a 100-200 team is a bad loss and a team gets dinged even worse if they lost to a team with an RPI over 200 (remember Campbell?).
At least until Iowa beats them, Iowa by beating Northwestern turned them into a bad loss for all the other teams. Nebraska's RPI resume is weird as they only have 2 bad losses (Kent State & Purdue) but have a quality win over Valpo (ranked 83) and they do have the 27th strongest schedule. But unless they upset a couple of teams down the stretch (hopefully not Iowa) I doubt they will be a top 100 team by the end of the season.
