Colorado returning to Big 12 in 2024

SwirlinLingerie said:
Makes sense. They should consider a conference for the schools located in that region. It'd make travel a lot easier, including for the fans, and there might be some nice border rivalries as well. Colorado, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State - hell, maybe it'd make sense to remove Missouri from the SEC and Nebraska from the Big Ten and throw them in there, too.
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Um, the Little 12 has a lot less TV money than either the SEC or Big10. And they are not done expanding, which means they may get a little more money, but mostly they are diluting the pot.

Missouri fell under a lucky star to get invited to the SEC. The Stl and KC markets were all the SEC really wanted (along with a below average football team to beat up on). Nebraska had a little more cache when they were invited to the Big10, but it was still all about the dollars (and not being Texas' whipping boy). In any event, neither school is going to downgrade conferences to potentially upgrade the fan experience or rivalries. Once you get the key the executive bathroom, you don't go back to a pay toilet......
 
NCHawker said:
There seems to be zero interest by B1G Ten university presidents to expand with Oregon and Washington.

would they be attractive to XII ?

would they be attractive to SEC? - what if the SEC grabs O and W ?
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I'd think they make almost no sense for the SEC, if they were going to expand that far outside their footprint, why wouldn't they make a real play for USC/UCLA? ACC stranglers make a lot more sense, especially Virginia, Miami, Duke, Clemson, Florida State, and Georgia Tech.
 
JoeyLabasForPresident said:
I heard an interesting take recently, that UCLA and USC probably would prefer Oregon and Washington not be in the B1G, but I also doubt they have the cachet to stop their joining if the rest of the conference wants them onboard. I think their addition would be my ideal outcome, and I'd always love to see Notre Dame join.
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The argument made here and elsewhere is, do either Oregon or Washington bring enough fans and tvs to the conference to equal a 100 million in value each in TV money? If not, you are just diluting the pot for the existing conference players and ensuring long plane rides for your athletes. I don't see that either team brings that much to the table to warrant that much more money from the networks. USC and UCLA clearly do. They are major brands in the second biggest TV market in the country, and they bring Hollywood.

The Little 12, however, would likely want Oregon and Washington schools as they might bring enough value to warrant the entry. The TV money is what drives whether additions make sense. The dollars are just different as the Little 12 is a second tier conference.
 
JoeyLabasForPresident said:
I'd think they make almost no sense for the SEC, if they were going to expand that far outside their footprint, why wouldn't they make a real play for USC/UCLA? ACC stranglers make a lot more sense, especially Virginia, Miami, Duke, Clemson, Florida State, and Georgia Tech.
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Academics matters to some of those schools. Tech, Miami, Duke, even Virginia. They aint going to a conference that cares so little about whether kids get a decent education. The ACC is a pretty good academic conference and they seem to have different values that the SEC. Florida State is the natural team to join the SEC.
 
NorthKCHawk said:
The argument made here and elsewhere is, do either Oregon or Washington bring enough fans and tvs to the conference to equal a 100 million in value each in TV money? If not, you are just diluting the pot for the existing conference players and ensuring long plane rides for your athletes. I don't see that either team brings that much to the table to warrant that much more money from the networks. USC and UCLA clearly do. They are major brands in the second biggest TV market in the country, and they bring Hollywood.

The Little 12, however, would likely want Oregon and Washington schools as they might bring enough value to warrant the entry. The TV money is what drives whether additions make sense. The dollars are just different as the Little 12 is a second tier conference.
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I would like to think both individually bring in quite a bit more money than Maryland and Rutgers combined, but I don't have empirical evidence beyond both being bigger sports brands (Emphasis heavily on Oregon, here) and representing major population centers (U of Washington is in Seattle, after all). They sure as hell would be better draws for nationally televised Big Ten games. How often are Rutgers or Maryland making it off of the BTN/FS1 circuit, and when they do, how often are they doing so without playing one of the top five brands in the B1G?
 
JoeyLabasForPresident said:
I would like to think both individually bring in quite a bit more money than Maryland and Rutgers combined, but I don't have empirical evidence beyond both being bigger sports brands (Emphasis heavily on Oregon, here) and representing major population centers (U of Washington is in Seattle, after all). They sure as hell would be better draws for nationally televised Big Ten games. How often are Rutgers or Maryland making it off of the BTN/FS1 circuit, and when they do, how often are they doing so without playing one of the top five brands in the B1G?
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Maryland and Rutgers are already in the league so the argument that they don't add enough value really doesn't matter. They aren't going to get kicked out. And don't forget that both are in major metropolitan areas. Seattle is too but it doesn't have the population density that the East Coast brings. Oregon and Washington are good football brands and have some other sports that they do well in. But at the end of the day, they don't add enough to warrant an invite from the B1G. At least not so far.
 
JoeyLabasForPresident said:
I heard an interesting take recently, that UCLA and USC probably would prefer Oregon and Washington not be in the B1G, but I also doubt they have the cachet to stop their joining if the rest of the conference wants them onboard. I think their addition would be my ideal outcome, and I'd always love to see Notre Dame join.
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If Notre Dame ever decided to make the leap it would only make sense that it would be to join the B!G. There is a history of playing against teams in our conference on a annual basis in football. I also think it would really help their basketball program also.

I would love to see the fainting Irish in Kinnick. I am sure the crowd would give them a warm welcome.
 
haydensly said:
Maryland and Rutgers are already in the league so the argument that they don't add enough value really doesn't matter. They aren't going to get kicked out. And don't forget that both are in major metropolitan areas. Seattle is too but it doesn't have the population density that the East Coast brings. Oregon and Washington are good football brands and have some other sports that they do well in. But at the end of the day, they don't add enough to warrant an invite from the B1G. At least not so far.
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We know that neither Rutgers nor Maryland have done much of anything since they have joined, however their presence in the Big Ten does significantly improve recruiting for most teams in our conference for no other reason than recruits in those areas know mom and pop will possibly get to see them play when what ever Big Ten Team they play for comes home to play Maryland or Rutgers. That's may not be true for other colleges who don't have a home and away set up on a regular basis. It would really improve TV coverage for the conference if either or both teams would get their crap together and become a legit contender. Then that would be a game changer for viewership.

Like for Californians I am sure there is enough other distraction at this point other than watching Rutgers or Maryland athletics. This also would apply to lower tier teams in the Pac 10. Oregon has had enough successful football teams over the years to garner attention from within their home state.

It also should be noted that Iowa itself is not a major TV market to say the least, but the crowds and money that likes to go to regular season games and bowl games is what has kept the interest there over the years. Hawkeye fans like to travel and spend money. Once we go into expansion with more than a four-team playoff then it's time for whomever is coaching the football program to cut the grade. No more excuses if it is the captain.

I actually believe we will be a force to be reckoned with if we can just get there. We seem to be playing our best football by the end of the season and that can be deadly for opponents. We Just need to get there.......... and of course, have an offense that has a heartbeat. If our offensive line can get their crap together this season, then the pieces could be there. Too bad the expanded playoff isn't here this year. I feel that winning the division is likely but killing the East Division Champs is the roadblock to making it to the four-team playoff. That's a damn big roadblock.
 
The endgame in 2036 is that the Big boys in the SEC, Big Ten, ACC and ND will leave their old conferences to form a new P1 conference based on football brand. Think Bama, Georgia, Tex, Ok, Ohio St, Mich, PSU, ND, USC, etc.

Alternatively a P1 basketball conference will form that also will play football that will have all the basketball blue bloods. Think Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, Lou, UConn, UCLA, Ariz, Ind, Mich St, etc.

After that, there will be a clear Tier2 football conference. Think Auburn, Texas A&M, Wisc, etc. It is possible that Iowa will end up in this Tier2 football conference.

After that conferences will align more for geographic or academic reasons.
 
Will C said:
I think the Big is too big now. I would be very happy to see them quit expanding.
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Maybe Ohio State should transfer over to the SEC with their NIL buddies. Those guys (SEC teams) were way out in front of everyone else for over twenty-five years with their own form of the "NIL" ;)

The fact that the few clean programs in the past can now legally bring money into the factoring of their recruiting, could actually help them out with leveling the playing field. This especially could happen when the Big Ten Channel and other networks starts dispensing 150 to 200 million a year to each conference teams. I think that's a conservative estimate on what will be coming to the teams in the B1G once things get fully rolling.
 
NorthKCHawk said:
If the conference is going to expand more, I'd make Oregon and Washington sit for a year or so in the tattered remains of the Pac Whatever. Then offer them membership in the conference at 50% of the revenue. Let desperation set in.

Personally, I would be done with expansion and I would tell Notre Dame to jump in a lake. 16 is already too big. At some point you are not a conference. You are a league.
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I'm on the F Notre Dame wagon at this point. So done with them. I'd rather have Oregon. The BIG doesn't need the Texas syndrome with ND in the conference.

Go pound sand ND.
 
guffus said:
The endgame in 2036 is that the Big boys in the SEC, Big Ten, ACC and ND will leave their old conferences to form a new P1 conference based on football brand. Think Bama, Georgia, Tex, Ok, Ohio St, Mich, PSU, ND, USC, etc.

Alternatively a P1 basketball conference will form that also will play football that will have all the basketball blue bloods. Think Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, Lou, UConn, UCLA, Ariz, Ind, Mich St, etc.

After that, there will be a clear Tier2 football conference. Think Auburn, Texas A&M, Wisc, etc. It is possible that Iowa will end up in this Tier2 football conference.

After that conferences will align more for geographic or academic reasons.
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???????. No way.

Is this a drunk post? Lol.
 
MelroseHawkins said:
???????. No way.

Is this a drunk post? Lol.
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No this is a legimate projection of the way things are going in the future. Geography no longer matters. Big Ten and SEC will look at expansion in the future and will be unable to find any new members that will increase revenues for the average member. The only way for the big boys in the Big Ten and SEC to increase average revenue is to dump the dead weight in both P2 conferences and consolidate into a single Power conference based on football brand.
 
guffus said:
No this is a legimate projection of the way things are going in the future. Geography no longer matters. Big Ten and SEC will look at expansion in the future and will be unable to find any new members that will increase revenues for the average member. The only way for the big boys in the Big Ten and SEC to increase average revenue is to dump the dead weight in both P2 conferences and consolidate into a single Power conference based on football brand.
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This is a solid analysis if the only motivating factor is money. The idea of the "best" of the Big Ten splitting off from the rest and significantly relaxing their academic standards isn't likely today.
 
JoeyLabasForPresident said:
This is a solid analysis if the only motivating factor is money. The idea of the "best" of the Big Ten splitting off from the rest and significantly relaxing their academic standards isn't likely today.
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Not likely today, but as the media model collapses it will become increasingly likely. The only question is whether or not the blue bloods realize that they need to beat down a bunch of teams because 9-3 looks a helluva better than 3-9.
 
guffus said:
No this is a legimate projection of the way things are going in the future. Geography no longer matters. Big Ten and SEC will look at expansion in the future and will be unable to find any new members that will increase revenues for the average member. The only way for the big boys in the Big Ten and SEC to increase average revenue is to dump the dead weight in both P2 conferences and consolidate into a single Power conference based on football brand.
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I realize geography is pretty much thrown out the window, because that shift has already been happening for several years now, I just don't think I buy the rest where they are all the blue bloods are going to join one major conference merely based on football. I just don't think it's going to get to that level or extreme. The $$$ are always going to be there even with the same conference structure with some mediocre teams in conferences. The blue bloods have to play somebody anyway.

Also, out of curiosity, how did the specific date of 2036 arise?
 
I'm just guessing Oregon and UW end up in B1G but only at a $50M per year payout. About 1/2 - 2/3 of what full payout is to other teams.
 
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