College Football playoff is a Joke

[hawkeyebob62]

And why in Hades Stanford is even getting attention s beyond me. Spare me the schedule, the conference, the early loss. And please allow me to keep my breakfast down by refraining from the idiotic notion that they played Northwestern "9am their time!" Good Lord, it was their first game. And, HELLO, Rose Bowl for every B1G team experience, anyone? B1G teams travel two to three time zones every year. Since about three generations of Lou Holtzes ago. And started in the afternoon and ended at night, which until recently, was NOT typical for B1G teams.

Stanford has lost twice. There should be ZERO chance, save a bloodbath this weekend, for them to play anywhere other than the Rose Bowl. But a THREE-loss Stanford could still end up in a "better" bowl than a one-loss Iowa, given that one loss would have pretty much have EVERYone saying, "I told ya so, Iowa wasn't for real!" It would NOT shock me to see a one-loss Iowa drop out of the Top 11.

 

[skinnykilmer17]

Got to agree with Dean.... I wasn't for the playoff and I'm against any expansion. For Iowa and MSU it is a minimum 13 game season, possibly stretching to 15. This is supposedly "COLLEGE" football played by "STUDENT-athletes". If some colleges or junior colleges want to form a minor league football system to train young men to be professional players please do. Let's not pretend that some programs are little more than an arm of the NFL and the sports media.

^^^THIS.

It's all about $$$$.

 

[westender]

I probably should. It is just such a rigged system right now that it bothers the sh!t out of me (nothing to do with Iowa). As a matter of fact, a system like this over time will have the NFL effect on me. Over the last 20 years, I have gotten more and more sick of the NFL media, NFL show, NFL brand, and especially the hypocrisy of Godell that I rarely watch a game......I hope that this BS system doesn't have the same affect on me with the college football playoffs.

I am with you 100% on your NFL comments. It has been been ruined for me. All the money and the drama and criminal activity and the "sold out" half empty stadiums and the sticky gloves and alternate uniforms and wardrobe problems at halftime shows. It's not like the 70s where it was more like what we all played out in a field somewhere growing up. They have lost me I am afraid. Even had Sunday ticket until 4 years ago. Have not watched a game this year. The only sport I can stand to watch any more is college football and some college basketball and Iowa wrestling. The amateurs where for the most part it is played for fun by kids with dreams and living dreams. I fear it will eventually turn into a money thing completely and that it may turn into an NFL type circus. The kids should get some money, but not NFL money and they are getting some. College is expensive for room and board so they do get some. A lot is being made off their work for sure. And money keeps flowing in. When does it tail off or stop? When we change I guess. Look at all this hype just around poll announcements. This is crazy stuff. Imagine what ad space sells for during these announcements. Everyone is just fixated on it. Will we fly too close to the sun at some point?

 

[GesterHawk]

Humans are still playing to big of a part in this whole thing. When they decided that a 12 person panel would decide the fate of the championship series. It was doomed from the start.

This. Keep the playoffs. Keep it at 4 teams. Bring back the BCS computers. Heck, replace the human component of the BCS with the committee if that makes people feel better. This will allow for a slightly less biased selection process.

 

[FCAS]

Humans are still playing to big of a part in this whole thing. When they decided that a 12 person panel would decide the fate of the championship series. It was doomed from the start.

At this point, is the 12 person panel wrong on who they have in the final four?

What's the alternative? If computer rankings were considered to some degree, or if the panel was 50 people rather than 12, would you still be confident that Iowa was in the final 4?

 

[DP5555]

When Jeff Long was talking on the playoff show last night he was asked about UNC. He explained that they were #10 because they have a bad loss to South Carolina. Umm WELL THEN HOW THE HELL DO YOU EXPLAIN OKLAHOMA!? They lost to ****in Texas who got shut out by ****in Iowa State!

It is both sad and frustrating that the name on the jersey carries as much weight as it does. North Carolina is being shunned while Oklahoma is already in the playoffs and they both have a very similar bad loss. Only difference is North Carolina's loss was the first game of the year. That doesn't make a huge difference, but at least it's easier to explain than OU's disaster of a game against Texas.

 

[PCHawk]

If North Carolina would have blown out North Texas instead of some random FCS school they would still be ranked just as low because their name. Yet they keep talking about them playing 2 FCS schools being a main factor like there's some huge difference between that and what everyone else schedules.

 

[HawkInATX]

The important thing to remember here is that one of the most important criteria for determining CFP rankings can't even be applied yet: Conference Championships.

Only Oklahoma has one right now.
Winner of Iowa/MSU will have one next week
Winner of UNC/Clemson will have one next week
Winner of Bama/Florida will have one next week
Winner of Stanford/USC will have one next week

Look for big changes to the top 10 when the CFP rankings come out after this Saturday. Teams not playing in championships will not be able to move up and can only move down. The only real question is going to be what the committee does with losers in championship games, whether they are penalized lightly or heavily. And expect that the Pac-12 is left out.

 

[bcl20]

Oklahoma state beat baylor, tcu and Oklahoma state.

They also have a road win vs tennessee. North Carolina doesn't really have the wins to compare. I can't really see the bias complaint here.

Baylor of all teams was getting undeserved love at the beginning of the year. They are far from a blue blood.

 

[PCHawk]

Oklahoma state beat baylor, tcu and Oklahoma state.

They also have a road win vs tennessee. North Carolina doesn't really have the wins to compare. I can't really see the bias complaint here.

Baylor of all teams was getting undeserved love at the beginning of the year. They are far from a blue blood.

You don't think if Florida State had North Carolina's exact same resume, they would be in position to get in the playoffs with a win over Clemson?

 

[westender]

When Jeff Long was talking on the playoff show last night he was asked about UNC. He explained that they were #10 because they have a bad loss to South Carolina. Umm WELL THEN HOW THE HELL DO YOU EXPLAIN OKLAHOMA!? They lost to ****in Texas who got shut out by ****in Iowa State!

It is both sad and frustrating that the name on the jersey carries as much weight as it does. North Carolina is being shunned while Oklahoma is already in the playoffs and they both have a very similar bad loss. Only difference is North Carolina's loss was the first game of the year. That doesn't make a huge difference, but at least it's easier to explain than OU's disaster of a game against Texas.

I don't believe North Carolina has beaten anyone currently in the top 25. I'm fine with where they have them. They played two FCS opponents and lost to South Carolina. You might want to use a different team as your example.

 

[westender]

If North Carolina would have blown out North Texas instead of some random FCS school they would still be ranked just as low because their name. Yet they keep talking about them playing 2 FCS schools being a main factor like there's some huge difference between that and what everyone else schedules.

Who did North Carolina beat that is now in the top 25?

 

[herkish]

This won't be popular but...I'd like to hear how it is that MSU w/ wins over Mich, Ore, and OSU is behind Iowa. Sure, we haven't lost but we don't have anything near the quality of schedule or wins that MSU has or Stanford for that matter. It doesn't matter if we're 4 or 5 but I just don't see IA being better than a team that has beaten 2 of the top ten teams already this year (Mich was at 10).

B1G championship game will work as a play-in game so even if IA was sitting at 6 or 7 we'd be in. Just curious as to how they are weighing our zero lossess (which is great!!) to MSU's VERY quality wins.

Plus, does OU fall to 4 or even out of the CFP being idle next week (if no craziness happens)?

 

[bcl20]

You don't think if Florida State had North Carolina's exact same resume, they would be in position to get in the playoffs with a win over Clemson?

Possibly but how much of that is due more to recent history than branding? I think that plays more of a factor though both are stupid.

I'm just saying that Oklahoma over North Carolina isn't a travesty and it's the wrong example to use. Ohio State at number 1 all year and Alabama being where they were at despite a loss would be a better example but that could also be tied to recent history. I think there is a tendency to go "well, they've been good before so it must have been a fluke that they lost" so they get the benefit of the doubt. I suppose the name can be tied to that though.

I just need a lot more evidence to support the fact that name wins just based upon brand and ratings than what has been given but that evidence probably won't come to light for a few years. This is the second year of the playoffs.

 

[bcl20]

This won't be popular but...I'd like to hear how it is that MSU w/ wins over Mich, Ore, and OSU is behind Iowa. Sure, we haven't lost but we don't have anything near the quality of schedule or wins that MSU has or Stanford for that matter. It doesn't matter if we're 4 or 5 but I just don't see IA being better than a team that has beaten 2 of the top ten teams already this year (Mich was at 10).

B1G championship game will work as a play-in game so even if IA was sitting at 6 or 7 we'd be in. Just curious as to how they are weighing our zero lossess (which is great!!) to MSU's VERY quality wins.

Plus, does OU fall to 4 or even out of the CFP being idle next week (if no craziness happens)?

Quality wins are great. Bad losses count to though and 0 losses is better than a loss to poopie nebraska.

 

[deanvogs]

This won't be popular but...I'd like to hear how it is that MSU w/ wins over Mich, Ore, and OSU is behind Iowa. Sure, we haven't lost but we don't have anything near the quality of schedule or wins that MSU has or Stanford for that matter. It doesn't matter if we're 4 or 5 but I just don't see IA being better than a team that has beaten 2 of the top ten teams already this year (Mich was at 10).

B1G championship game will work as a play-in game so even if IA was sitting at 6 or 7 we'd be in. Just curious as to how they are weighing our zero lossess (which is great!!) to MSU's VERY quality wins.

Plus, does OU fall to 4 or even out of the CFP being idle next week (if no craziness happens)?

You make a great point. You can't say that wins over #11 TCU, #12 Baylor, and #17 Okie St. and a bad loss is better than Iowa, and then say that wins over #6 OSU, #15 Michigan and #16 Oregon and a bad loss is behind Iowa.

That is my beef with all of this, it makes ZERO sense, they use different criteria for different schools, and say one thing for one team and then apply a completely different standard to another team.

The B1G winner should vault an idle Oklahoma. Take it a step further the B1G winner should probably move to #2 past Bama. If Bama wins they would be 1-1 (Florida would drop out) vs the top 20 while MSU would be 4-0, and Iowa would be 2-0 at that point vs top 20.

 

[PCHawk]

Possibly but how much of that is due more to recent history than branding? I think that plays more of a factor though both are stupid.

I'm just saying that Oklahoma over North Carolina isn't a travesty and it's the wrong example to use. Ohio State at number 1 all year and Alabama being where they were at despite a loss would be a better example but that could also be tied to recent history. I think there is a tendency to go "well, they've been good before so it must have been a fluke that they lost" so they get the benefit of the doubt. I suppose the name can be tied to that though.

I just need a lot more evidence to support the fact that name wins just based upon brand and ratings than what has been given but that evidence probably won't come to light for a few years. This is the second year of the playoffs.

I must have missed the comparison between Oklahoma and North Carolina. I agree that Oklahoma's resume is way.

If I were to rank the 3 best 1 loss teams by resume it would be MSU, Oklahoma, Alabama. If I were to rank the 3 shcools by the name on their jersey it would be Alabama, Oklahoma, MSU. Alabama having by far the worst resume and being ranked the highest makes it obvious how important name brand is to them.

 

[Bigtenchamp]

Go back to the old way. No BCS, Bowl Alliance, or Bowl Coalition. It was fine.

uhhh... helllll no.

This way has flaws that way was completely asinine.

Iowa would have had a much worse chance in that system... at least this year they can win their way through it.

The playoffs do need to be expanded at some point however.

100% They will expand... too much money to be made.

 

[hwk23]

This current system is better than the BCS and much much much better than pre-BCS. The old system was a disadvantage for the Big Ten. Part of the reason the Orange Bowl produced so many NC's is because the Orange Bowl took the Big 8 champ and then the highest rated at large, which was a big advantage for the Big 8. It very often worked out that a Big 8 team was undefeated (or 1 loss) and an at large team would be undefeated so the winner would be #1.

 

[vork22]

Remember college football is a business first and foremost and it clearly benefits the NCAA, ESPN and every radio ding dong out there to have the big market teams in the playoff. It will always be that way. It doesn't matter the format. Let's play out our dream season win and we could have a place in history. Lose Saturday and everyone will say see they finally played someone and lost. We will be written off. This is THE most important game in Iowa history.